shootwhatsmyname @ shootwhatsmyname @lemm.ee

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Alright fair point, what are your thoughts on everything else I said?

We all have intentions and motives behind what we post, don’t we? And we’re all just repeating what we’ve read or heard from other people, right? Very few of us were actually there in the moments things were done or decided. The rest of us are just repeating what we’ve been told, including me and you. We always have downvotes. We can follow or block communities on an individual level. However, deleting content based on your own perspective is silencing someone else’s voice or opinion and goes against basic human rights.

It’s the exact same idea as removing history or destroying literature. The bad is just as valuable as the good and we learn from them both. By censoring what you have determined is bad, you are silencing someone’s voice and permanently stealing someone else’s ability to see the full picture.

Yeah of course. I think there are some big-picture issues with moderating “misinformation” and “propaganda” because of how different those definitions can be from person to person. One person might see something as misinformation, while someone else might not see it as misinformation. Another person might value seeing both sides.

“Misinformation,” and “propaganda” are both by definition based on the intentions of the creator, and that’s a difficult thing to try and regulate in an unbiased way while retaining human rights of expressing thoughts and beliefs. A worldwide general purpose instance on a decentralized social network should not be removing content based on assumed intentions or offense.

If we’re dead honest, we are all just repeating things we’ve read, heard, or learned from someone else. Very few of us were actually present in the moment something was done or decided. I think we all should have the freedom to express what we’ve seen, heard, or learned from somewhere else here on this instance.

Hell no, I’m not vouching for defederation or defending those communities in any way. Step back and look at the bigger picture with me. I think there are potential problems with moderating based on vague and non-concrete things, and I’m trying to further the discussion so we define them better together.

If we’re going to remove the communities OP is referring to, for example, we need to define (1) what qualifies as misinformation and trolling, and (2) what content/communities/users we’re proposing to remove in the future.

If we use dictionary definitions…

misinformation: false or inaccurate information, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive

troll: a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post

…then admins will have the new responsibility of (1) deciding whether content is true or false, (2) determining the intent of the content creator, and (3) deciding what is offensive or provocative.

Are we going to remove content if it offends someone? Will admins be deleting content based on the assumed intentions of the creator?

That’s not the instance I signed up for, and it also goes against basic human rights. I can see it being highly problematic for moderators and admins in the long run unless we move away from being a “general purpose” instance.

You trying to have a conversation or are you trying to insult me?

It’s the same concept of destroying history or literature. The bad parts of history are just as valuable as the good parts of history. Destroying the bad destroys our ability to see the full picture and learn from it.

Yeah, it’s difficult. If it’s bots/automated posting, that very clearly goes against this instance’s policies.

I like being able to see the full picture, including false information, so removing communities in this way effectively steals that freedom from me.

I agree. The unfortunate reality is that the line between misinformation and opinion is very different from person to person—especially when it comes to politics. It’s easy to moderate and remove illegal content based on local laws of the country an instance resides in, but trying to moderate content from a single U.S. political party raises more questions and will take more volunteer manpower from admins. We would need to define as a community:

1. What is the criteria for a misinformation or trolling community?
2. Will we defederate from entire instances if they meet the criteria for misinformation/trolling?
3. Will we regulate all types of communities (like technology, hobby, humor, culture, news, and war-related communities), or will we only regulate politically-driven communities.

I still don’t think this is the right move. I joined the Fediverse because of the ability to post and consume content without any person or entity manually or automatically determining what I can and cannot see. I specifically chose this instance because of it’s relaxed policy on defederation. I value being able to see all content and be aware of everyone’s voice, even if it is blatantly false information or offensive.

This is a general-purpose instance on a decentralized platform that doesn’t have much of an algorithm. All of us here most likely run into things we don’t like or want to see, and as long as it’s not illegal I think things like this will still be allowed. You can always block communities and follow ones that you like to tailor what you see. If you’re looking for more specific content all around, I’d join an instance that’s more specific to the type of content you’re looking for

This is a really good comparison

I didn’t know you could order cats

Relevant peaceful protest on GitHub: github.com/chromium/chromium/pull/187

I recommend posting this in a Reddit-specific community instead. Some of us are interested in Reddit news but the majority of us came here to get away from Reddit. Posting this type of content in a Reddit-specific community instead of this generic technology one will give us all more of a choice on what type of content we want to see

It’s a great format—they do make websites load noticeably faster (especially with a lot of images), however it’s extra work dealing with compatibility and it does make it harder for users as they aren’t compatible with some of software/operating systems yet

Seriously—the consequences are going to be very extreme very quickly if we don’t actively fight against this

must have been the one seized by the FBI for CSAM that I was hearing about—but don’t quote me on that

Reddit was down for 10 minutes or so around the time Reddit posted the goodbye/thank you message on r/place

Looks like it’s already started across the entire canvas

It’s quickly getting overwritten by white dots

You should try out Codeium if you haven’t. It’s a VSCode toolkit completely free for personal use. I’ve had better results with it than ChatGPT

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