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Noone gives a fuck whether the IMF gets what it wants or not. Not even the IMF in that case they simply don't give out money.

weird how when they don't get what they want there always seems to be some sort of intervention, financial or military against the offending party. Clearly there is no cause and effect that can ever be associated in the liberal mind.

, did you have a look at what the OSCE said about those elections?

The election took place in the context of ongoing armed conflict and other hostilities in the east of the country and the illegal annexation of the Crimean Peninsula by the Russian Federation. As a consequence, the election could not be organized in Crimea and certain parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions that are controlled by illegal armed groups.

Weird, so almost like there was an active war going on the whole time and the elections only reflected the most western-aligned people. Again, cause and effect are literally impossible to connect in the liberal mind.

Also you're the only one talking about the US, here.

They're the other major party in the proxy war? The EU is a junior partner at this point.

There's plenty of examples of horrific British, French Spanish colonization, the Dutch are responsible for inventing the triangle trade of slaves to the Americas (with the profits going to Europe, hence triangle) in the first place. Some of those have actually had governments change since then too.

The US gets brought up because it's the global hegemon, driving so much of these political tensions. You don't get to pretend its blood-soaked record doesn't exist lmao.

link for the curious ( I swear its not pig shit this time)

Noone gives a flying fuck about the IMF.

You're joking, right?

Yanukovich committed the worst crime: not wanting to take an IMF deal.

Yes, and that's why I point out that it's silly to say 'these are both colonial empires' when one has had two major changes in government since then, and affected far fewer people. Unless you're trying to be essentialist about Russians as colonizers or something it makes no sense.

It was a coup though, what do you think it was?

Yes, the europeans showed up to profit-maximize the slavery process. That was the technological innovation, the boats helped, but the main part of the equation was translating huge amounts of human suffering into money, and then re-investing it. You're hyping up Europeans technology up a little too much, chauvinists tend to. Europe was a plague-ridden backwater for centuries before they opted to sacrifice endless humans to Moloch. They "invented" all sorts of science to tell themselves it was the 'natural order'.

Based on how you're responding you do think this is a good thing though and are giving it positive spin.

But it's okay for neighbors to pull their neighbors into IMF debt servitude, to say nothing of couping the government because it wasn't pro-west enough. Really letting the euro chauvinism fly there.

They have had several government changes since then. The US has the same constitution since it was doing its shit, the one with slavery in it. (they only do it to prisoners now though, don't ask too many questions about why they have the highest prison population in the world)

Calling them a 'colonial empire' especially from the seat of the worlds largest and most brutal historical colonial empires is laughable. (1/3 of Africa has had a monetary policy run out of Paris to this day, I wonder why they're kicking them out)

People were calling for them to intervene immediately after the coup in 2014 and they didn't. Doesn't mean that wasn't still the reason for the intervention years later.

They were abhorrent. You're really playing semantics here, conditions were essentially slave-like just as, say, Cuba under Batista.

Yes it was bad, still not as bad as chattel slavery, but pretty bad, that's why it was completely deserved when they had a revolution. Not sure why you keep bringing up the colonization of siberia like it's relevant to what's going on now though. Comparing the amount of human life lost in that to the conquest of Americas though is just silly- there's no comparison and the same American government is still around since then!

Donetsk city has been routinely getting hit for years, it's why the SMO started

and again here you are cheerleading for indiscriminately killing civilians

Yes, Ukraine has been shelling Russian positions in those regions for quite a while now.

go on

Because they weren't the ones working the slaves to death in Caribbean plantations. Have you read any history?

Also there were plenty of indigenous slaves taken, whole generations worked to death in mines to send silver back to europe

You're accusing me of condoning or advocating genocide?

You already told me to fuck off for pointing out that parts of Ukraine have been getting shelled by its own government for over 8 years, considering that response, yes that was my conclusion.

No. Water power did, Europe has an absurd number of suitable streams for grain mills allowing less the creation of extensive trade, merchant, and scholar classes. Which led to technological superiority which led to the capacity to roll over other nations (and the presumption that it was the right thing to do). Without that pre-existing wealth all that colonising would not have been possible.

It was definitely the slavery

Were the Russians also doing chattel slavery like the west was for literally hundreds of years? Like sure conditions for serfs weren't great, but the transatlantic slave trade, the mass genocide of the americas, the subjugation of africa, india and china built the wealth of europe. You're trying to act like these two things are the same and they're not

Отъебись ватник блядь.

lmao

seriously though:

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions

Where's the lie? You guys think that's a good thing. Link to more info

I was a bit too young to have much of an opinion or impact there. In any case very much unlike Ukraine, Serbia actually was genociding people. "Get genocided by your central state, get independence" is more than fair if you ask me.

The Ukrainian state has been killing civilians indiscriminately in its two breakaway regions, they were just doing it for much longer than it took for any kind of intervention in Serbia.

When the west starts to pretend to care about muslims, you know they're full of shit about any purported genocides. They went from pretending to care about Kosovar Albanians to murdering millions of muslims over the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So the Bundeswehr is a Nazi org because it's using the iron cross as emblem?

It's pretty funny having iron crosses constantly showing up on all the UA vehicles- I think we all know what they're going for, they just left off a few lines.

So Russia suddenly isn't European? That would come as news to Europe.

Russia has not been a part of 'the west', certainly not as far as most of the EU is concerned unless you're trying to be intentionally obtuse

Ah yes the ever popular "they should have self deported instead of getting ethnically cleansed"

How come you guys were okay with kosovo 'voting' to leave Serbia, but suddenly this is a bridge too far?

"general patriotism" I see swastikas, things that sub in for swastikas, iron crosses, and totenkopfs.

You can fuck right off with the "centuries of colonialism" that's literlly the west repackaging its own history to accuse others of.

I thought you guys were the ones who said that portions of a country can unilaterally vote to leave and its okay. That was what you lot pulled with Serbia, why does it suddenly no longer apply here?