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I'm still a Fedora guy, started on Ubuntu years ago, tried arch (loved AUR) and all the Ubuntu derivatives but once I hit fedora it just stuck.

Not while we live in a capitalist system. Ad personalisation on the other hand...

That's a separate issue, but to actually speak on it I completely agree that public policy and policymaking decisions should be public. The governors of this country are bound to assent to laws in council, which includes all of cabinet and if they aren't properly aware then they can't properly offer counsel to governor.

EC needs to go lol

Yes and you'd have a giant congress with an inflated salary budget. The problem is definitely the ec.

Oh sad, was just a joke, I'm as left as they come.

The People's Democratic Republic of Victoria is in a ruinous state after Supreme Leader and Defender of Victorian Socialism Dan Jon Un passed this morning. Residents could be seen violently sobbing on the streets near Parliament, Government House and the Leaders official residence.

Businesses have closed due to mourning, and some suicides have been reported.

? Unless you mean within the cabinet/executive council I don't understand why you would say this. OotP is for the premier and decisions are naturally centralised to the premier.

Shitbit is hilarious

It makes sense and is good from a technological standpoint, humans have always wanted to advance. But that means we must be even more politically active to save ourselves from exploitation in the future.

Noone is disenfranchised. By choosing to elect an executive nationally it only makes sense to popularise the vote. Why should Wyoming citizens have more sway than California (per capita)

Less than the active racism on the news, there's a hell of a lot of people who think righting wrongs isn't worth the small sum of cash and time that a voice will take up in the public sphere. People who think because we've been forced into a minority that we should lay down and accept being trodden on.

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I agree completely. At some point you have to draw the line. Labor should go all out ad wise, fuck off stage 3 and tell everyone the deal. If we are to lose an election over it then we're fucked as a country, so much money our country desperately needs that we are pissing into the wind.

Because there are functional problems to this issue. The representative portion may be, but their might be other public servants who aren't aboriginal and may be excluded if mentioned in the constitution. If you insert functional requirements into the constitution to enable such things you remove the ability to change the Voice's functions as mentioned before. Legal interpretations suggest that a voice would have to be comprised of ATSI people regardless.

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What's your point? This is the reason we have the courts. We could write into infinity the processes and procedure of a voice but the other bodies are free to determine those for themselves, we are leaving this to Parliament so that the voice can change according to need and times.

We would never abandon our commitment to consular assistance in Russia just because the government may not listen to us. We regard it as a duty regardless of perception in the current moment. We also know that different times will produce different outcomes in those efforts, and that ultimately representation isn't doesn't force anyone's hand in helping Australians. We may bring up issues that are gaining traction domestically but aren't heard by the RU gov, or let them see from our POV. We get all of this with a voice. Even if we are completely ignored, these benefits help in pushing our concerns across a wider audience that may have previously not heard them.

Constitutional interpretation relies on all sources used to draft the document. Intentions must be gathered as this is a founding document, therefore all Acts spring forth from it. Explanatory documents, the Uluru statement itself, and documents by the referendum working group all support the idea of the A&TSIVoice being for ATSI people only.

The idea that the voice is some sort of useless idea is seriously flawed. Policy institutes and Parliamentary hearing and committee are the biggest drivers of policy in this country. Media attention and petitions aren't nearly as effective in this regard. The voice will likely not be integrated as a Parliamentary comittee is, due to its being a separate body, but will still offer valuable representation to Parliament to those who came before these institutions and this country. Aboriginals had their own traditions, nations and sovereignty on land that was not ceded. We have accepted their legal and unique history with this land, this is merely saying that within the framework of Australia as a country, that Aboriginals deserve access to our legislature and executive on matters that affect them.

The popular argument by resident no voter @whirlybird@aussie.zone seems to be that this is virtue signalling and that this would be the end of social justice for Aboriginals, that resistance would develop in trying to advance a cause further. They seem to suggest that we would be better off doing something of substance, as to not foment resistance and resentment. I would hope that on the first point, its been made clear that there is real benefit to having a Voice, and the second is irrelevant, the Australian population will tire after a no vote, and after a yes vote. Its the jobs of those politically active, the media, the Voice itself, politicians, and those non apathetic people to push for more when the time comes.

A second argument I hear, and the most factually true argument I hear is lack of detail. It is true that there is a lack of official detail from those legislators who will be advancing bills if the referendum finishes in the affirmative. It is also understandable to want to know in substance what the fruits of your vote would be. Id encourage those who would like to learn to listen to ideas from the referendum working group and those associated with the yes campaign on rough ideas of a Voice if this is the case. Its important to remember that we are voting on the amendment though, not the bill itself. There are significant measures that must go into establishing the voice in substance:

• Will the voice exist entirely under its own weight, legislated by Parliament and run by itself, or will the bureaucratic arm of the voice exist in the Australian Public Service
• How will the voice be elected? How will regional voices be represented? Is a federal model (each nation receives x representatives), a state based model (each state receives x amount of reps) or a unitary, population based model more effective?

All of these questions take significant time. If you can focus on the amendment, and whether support those ideas outside of what a future voice may look like, it will help.