salient_one @ salient_one @lemmy.villa-straylight.social

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It's the automatic slur filter.

So it's just growing up and becoming a more mature person? Don't think that applies specifically to FOSS enthusiasts. The same could be said about coffee hobbyists, for example.

They say quitting smoking is very hard, but quitting food abuse is harder.

I always thought Uber was supposed to be like carpooling.

That's ~4.74 kilometers, by the way.

I'll take a look. I haven't really examined the bottom comments before. Also I just learned about the Barbara pit massacre.

I meant the debate is not productive in the sense that we only have our opinions and opposing anecdotes to back up our arguments. I may change my mind after I make the observations you suggested.

And after all, Nutomic said they'd never remove the slur filter, and yet here we are, they caved in after all and effectively fully removed it by making it fully customizable.

Yes, but Musk's product is all hype and no substance.

I admit, it's probably idealistic of me to expect all people to follow the guideline of "downvote is not a disagree button". But I assume most users are already acting in good faith and those who disrupt the intended use (promote quality content, discourage uninteresting content) are a minority.

There is no data that the algorithm is not doing its job on Lemmy. My personal experience show that it does an okay job at least, so I inclined to believe that voting is still more of a good thing than a bad thing. If the problems you mention become significant, then they should be addressed, but only if and when. It's unlikely that voting on Lemmy is going anywhere, so arguing about it is not productive.

Dessalines puts it pretty well here.

This is bad news, right?

Also FDA is wasting time on this rubbish, I hope someone will be held accountable.

You present very fair points.

A good demonstration of how the voting system is counterproductive is the Steam reviews that are ruined to the point that they're barely usable as it's nearly impossible to find a coherent actual review of a game and not a poor attempt at humor, or worse, a copy-pasted award farming sob story.

But Steam reviews are functional and have a narrow task of helping you make a buying decision, so it doesn't compare directly to a general purpose social network like Lemmy.

I understand how upvotes may promote groupthink and how downvotes may encourage unhealthy self-censorship but I don't agree that the problem is on the scale of being existential. The general consensus is that voting helps promote quality content and my personal experience with Lemmy so far makes me agree with it.

One of the maintainers has a similar argument against removing voting, but maybe they're right about the benefits of hiding the counts.

Also I think it would be good if there were fine-grained control for casting and displaying votes.

Opened the post for this comment, wasn't disappointed!

In my opinion, the problems you mentioned are not caused by the voting system.

• Groupthink is caused by a lack of discipline. Obvious hot takes or otherwise poorly formulated comments should be downvoted. Well presented contrarian opinions should be upvoted. Perhaps educating users on using the system in its intended way – promoting healthy debate or interesting insight – is better than removing the system completely.
• Manipulation is caused by poor bot control, so while removing voting might help somewhat, this would be a band-aid at most. Unless you mean some sort of psyop manipulation that doesn't involve automation, which voting can, in theory at least, help against by refuting attempts at manipulation.
• Duplicated content I have only seen in connection to the nature of the fediverse so far (i.e., same topic communities spread across multiple large instances). I guess some people would try to farm internet points by posting low quality content, but if people like that content and vote for it, what's there to be done apart from blocking the community you don't like?
   

Also Lemmy's popularity would suffer if it was missing one of the key features of Reddit ("Full vote scores (+/-) like old Reddit." is listed as one of the main features on the official website).

I'm not partial to it, but more power to y'all who like it. I'll watch the time-lapse nonetheless.

IN SPACE!

Are you sure the issues you mentioned are caused by voting? I'm not certain, so I cannot answer your question.

I didn't know she was a geologist.

No, I don't think so, but that's a different aspect.

The status quo is the problem, so it would have to be some basic logic defying magic.

YouTube should be a part of the public infrastructure.

While I understand the intention here is to reassure people that not all is lost and there's still time for action, a take like this is going to be paraphrased into "climate change is overblown and isn't something to worry about" by Big Oil and other major polluters.

Oh, didn't notice that the title says love or hate.

So I hate time sinks, but I love roguelikes/roguelites that have well done metaprogression and also allow you to have fun with ridiculous overpowered builds.