rumimevlevi @ rumimevlevi @lemmings.world

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It cannot be overstated how completely different these situations are. Israel is trying to exterminate Palestinians. Russia does not want Ukraine to be part of a hostile, nuclear-armed military pact. Palestinians are fighting because otherwise Israel will kill them. Ukrainians are fighting because their coup government is having its strings pulled by NATO

While i agree russia isn't trying to ethenic cleansing ukranians the argument they use it's still the same in my opinion. I think Putin want to make ukraine part of russia without erasing ukrsnian identity but if ukranians want to stay independent russia should respect that. I don't see any other reason why Putin said that Ukraine used to be part of Russia

You started by talking about republicans in general and when i talked about how democrats are devided with many supporting the war on iran thst israel and trump started you deflected by talking about presidents

I didn't claim that they did. You just try to deflect from the fact that in democratic party leadership there is leaders who support republicans and trump when it come to foreign policies excluding the policies about Ukraine

Republicans are more pro israel.This could help the palestinian cause .While Carlson is russian puppet, it is irelevant in the topic of iran

Many democrats leaders still celebrated israel attacking iran.

Real antiaemitism is not critisized by the.governments and pro israel people but condemn anti occupation people

If anyone says this, they don't mean it, because it's completely contradictory. They're lying to you.

I said it's a terrible excuse so i reject their argument. It's true that if Palestinian never resisted over 60k would never die in 2 years but still nobody can strip their right to resistance and the over 60k dead Palestinians responsibility lay exclusively on Israel

There's no future resolution to this war that leaves Ukraine with more land than they have today. Continuing the war just means it will end with less Ukrainian land and less Ukranians.

Palestinians continuing to resist like i already said also caused them to lose more lands every time , it's still unacceptable. Russia and Israel are both claiming that control of those land are for purely security reasons

It's unlike Palestine because Russia is not fighting a war of extermination and is not trying to drive residents from their homes. The people in the parts of pre-war Ukraine that Russia now controls aren't being massacred or evicted; they are predominantly Russian speakers who had (to be charitable to Ukraine) legitimate grievances with the Ukrainian government after the U.S.-backed coup in 2014.

I didn't mean to say Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine is exactly the same but i still standing with my view that there is similar excuses. Another similarity is how both use the argument of the group of person not existing . Israel say that there is no Palestinians and all the land is our , Russia say that Ukrainians are just Russians that Ukraine was simply part of Russia .

I think Russia could have with economic pressure alone stop Ukraine from joining NATO especially if they convince China that a NATO Ukraine which protect the United state interests in the world is a risk for China too . The war was really overkill. Occupation also is required to be temporary, yet Russia has not stated a plan to when they could approximately give back those lands. What can stop Russia from saying forever that there is a risk that Ukraine join NATO?

I want to hear you say i condemn Israeli raping Palestinians like i condemn Hamas killing and raping civilians

it was the Palestinians who elected Hamas, it was Palestinians who cheered for them as dead girls were paraded through the town, and last polls i saw show Hamas still have significant support of the population with any Palestinian resistance against Hamas resulting in predictable torture and death because Hamas are Islamic jihadi’s at their core

It was also Israeli who elected war criminals oppressing , killing and raping Palestinians since it's creation. It is Israeli who voted for Netanyahu who say proudly that he oppose two state solution no matter what and admit for sabotaging peace process https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pm-im-proud-i-blocked-a-palestinian-state-looking-at-gaza-everyone-sees-what-would-have-happened/

Israeli also chant death to arab every year

Yet i do not support killing Israeli civilians like you support Israeli terrorism and occupation

You can try to deflect forever by mentioning Hamas terrorism it doesn't change the fact that Israel has no right to occupy Palestinians land and build illegal settlements.

Do you condemn the building of illegal settlements and condemn illegal settlers violence?

that’s ok, they can call egypt, libya, tunisia, algeria, qatar, dubai, saudi arabia, uae, jordan or others in the area for support, oh right, for some reason all the countries closest are busy building soccer stadium's

Learn to read i talk about the population we know that most arab countries are ruled funnily by authoritarian countries something you claim to be against who are traitors

that definitely explains why they beheaded that gardener with a rake and gang raped that girl while chanting alluh ackbar

I never said killing innocent civilians is justified ziotard. When i talk about self defense i talk about killing the terrorist IDF soldiers

Israel rapped a lot of women too why don't you condemn that ? Israeli soldier laughs while recounting genocide and rape of palestinians during the Nakba

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable

Palestinians has the right to self defense against occupation. Israel is responsible for every single death they are the occupying force

Israeli leaders called for Palestinian extermination and Israeli president said there ia no innocent people in Gaza

between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty - Likud charter

Your attempt to deflect from Israeli terrorism has failed. The Palestinian authority do not smuggle weapons. In fact they protect Israel security and recognize Israel but israel still build more illegal settlements and protect illegal settlers violence

Not surprising that terrorists like you are happy that aid did not reach gaza

Same with democrats. How many democratic leader celeberated the attack?

Nobody was defending Iran reigious autocracy, just iran right to self defense against the agressor. Israel killed 137 women in 12 days. How many civilians was you ready to sacrifice for a regime change to be replaced by a puppet regime? Saudis are as bad as iran would you have supported bombing them?

I never say we shouldn't talk about racism . The problem with this post ia that the op is doing mental gymnastic to say maybe rhere is a way where a white person could legimatly say the N word

What this has to do with palestine action?

In 2003, anti-war activists broke into RAF Fairford to stop US bombers heading to Iraq and didn't get any terrorism charge. It's pretty clear that it's all about crushing real actions against genocide

Uk has the obligation to stop all military cooperation with israel that's the big crimes that people involved in should be in jail for up to 15 years

No , terrorism is targetting civilians for political aim