rivermonster @ rivermonster @lemmy.world

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Get out of your bubble, man. And expand your sources.

If you're citing the terrible treatment of the Palestinians in 48, then expand and look at the expulsion of the Jews from the Muslim world and the theft of all their land. Approximately 800,000+, who then fled to Israel.

The point is your one-sided perspective and cherry picking of examples for this reductive reply.

As far as the Ottoman empire, Jews lived there before it fell in WWI. Including, (GASP), Palestinian Jews, which Lemmy doesn't even seem to realize existed. Or tall about the useless land that they purchased and transformed and THEN it became an issue with pre 48 conflict.

And if you think Britian betrayed the Palestians instead of COMPLETELY fucked the middle east hand in hand with Russia, France, and the US through incompetence, arrogance, and racism... then you've either not studied the subject or you're being intellectually disingenuous.

Pretending there's innocent parties here is an easy way to spot someone who doesn't know what the fuck their talking about or worse is being intentionally dishonest.

I can easily roll off examples of settlers' crimes and pre Israeli settlers, but I'm aware of plenty of Arab ones too.

I can provide a laundry list of war crimes Bibi and the Likud party should be tried and convicted for, but I can do the the same for both Gaza and the West Bank.

If you're sure this is one-sided, then you need more and different sources.

If you really want to delve into history and issues arising, why are the Israel's arguably the first people's / first nation. Treated so differently worldwide than all other first nations? Hmm. LOL

Totally agree, there's lots of $0 policy options to increase protections. Right there with you, mate!

Yes, I know these delusions and have seen them here on Lemmy and amongst terrorist adjacent apologists all the time. Claims that the terrorists they elected aren't really their elected government. Denying the fact that Hamas is the government of Gaza is just denying facts. People do it here because it doesn't support the false narratives Lemmy loves so much.

The Palestinians elected Hamas, loving their war crimes like suicide bombings, blowing up bus loads of civilians, lobbing endless rockets into civilians, and cheering in the streets about it. Just like they celebrate the Oct attacks with a 75% approval level in Gaza. They didn't trick the Palestinians into thinking they were peaceful, innocent angels, and then go "whoops our bad we are terrorists and war crimianls." No, that's who they elected on purpose.

Oh, and yes, the war crimes you support and apologize for as "their only defense" is just as bad as the rest of your claims. Every one of the tens of thousands of rockets fired has been a war crime. You're an apologist for that. Take the time to sit down and realize how radicalized you already are that you think war crimes like tens of thousands of rockets laumched at civilians are the ONLY way they can defend themselves--your words. Like many here on Lemmy, you're way down a dangerous and slippery slope.

And notice all the bitching and moaning comments, that accompany the thread nobody has a better solution for what's going on to stop the rockets and mass terrorist attacks of the Gazan government. I'm still VERY open to hearing a realistic one. But you're not going to.

Lastly, who are you defining as "the Palestinians", do you count the millions in Jordan, Egypt, etc? Or do you think Gaza is all Palestinians? You diminish the term when you misuse and/or intentionally abuse the term genocide.

Comrade, your supervisor at Russian Troll farm is looking for you. Take a break.

Loaded headline. Really, it should read that protection if endangered species is in desperate need of more funding. Right now, it reads like a strawman that there's only this zero-sum answer, and more money all together couldn't possibly be an option.

I've never seen a larger group of insecure people desperately overcompensating. So, to be fair, they are number one in that sense.

Great laugh to start the day. Thanks so much!

If you had caught me before the Oct attack, we'd probably have agreed on more. All the collective punishment pre Oct was obviously war crimes, and Bibi and much of Likud should be tried and convicted as war criminals. Even with the constant war crimes (with the approval of the Palestinian people) of launching rockets at civilians, collective punishment wasn't warranted.

All the other failed measures were better to try (walls and shit). But it's ridiculous to sit by and not do something about the October attack and encourage these terrorists just like ignoring all their other terrorism for decades has done.

I've yet to hear a realistic and potentially effective solution for dealing with Hamas, other than eradicating them. But I'd love to know how the current efforts could be supplanted by something more effective.

For over two decades, tens of thousands of rockets have been lobbed into Israel with the support of the Palestinanian people who gladly elected Hamas while they did so and continued to do so to this day. This isn't a homogenous group of innocents. That's a Lemmy fantasy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

Currently, they run at 75% approval for the Oct. 7th attack.

There is no nation on earth who would have tolerated two decades of tens of thousands of rockets launched at civilians. And that's while having tried walls, fences, border crossings, and on and on. All of which were decried as barbaric to Gaza (with reason), and which clearly failed to stop rocket attacks, and then October.

The twenty years of rocket attacks launched at civilians by the palestians are all war crimes. There're no innocent parties here.

There's only one difference between Israel and any other nation defending themselves from decades of war crimes and terrorist attacks... you can figure out what that is... just like everyone cries that they're so passionate about the humanitarian crisis, but two of the largest humanitarian situations, Haiti and the DRC (with over 7 million displaced) get jack shit for news coverage.

People cover this conflict bc it's trendy and religion.

I wear the downvotes of terrorists and terrorist adjacent like a badge of honor. I wish I could display them as my avatar.

The key to reducing the worry is that Lemmy is a super tiny insignificant community. And worldnews even more so, this is what insular communities do. They circle jerk propaganda and radacalize and rile each other up as a key core loop. Meanwhile rebuffing any facts, reason, or reality.

Downvotes mean you're doing it right.

You don't know what genocide is, and you demean the term by abusing it. As do a lot of people who have misappropriated it for propaganda reasons.

And yes, I know the younger the voter, the less history and background they have on this issue, and this the more knee jerk and blindly they react to Hamas propaganda. That's one of the main points.

It actually is a huge point of contention. That misunderstanding causes a lot of profanity and anger.

That was eloquent and a well supported argument. I'm convinced!

Likey they just weren't wearing their hejabi properly. Thats their favorite reason to murder citizens.

I really feel it's Iran who's been doing everything it can to broaden the war and make itself a target. But I don't understand why.

This is in response to all their attacks through various proxies such as Houthis, Hamas, Hezbolla, Iraq, Syria, etc.

Honestly, I'd love to see the Islamic Republic fall. I feel terrible for the citizens of Iran who once were some of the most progressive and secular in the region. Sooner the guard and government there are removed the better.

Or maybe you've just hit your stride. Great and funny!

When you have a group, like WorldNews, that is as radicalized by shock photos and even fake propaganda--reason and critical thought aren't welcome. If the only thing someone can see is a targeted picture of a hurt or dead kid, then they won't be able to hear.

It's the core of the Hamas propaganda program and why they seek maximum civilian casualties while living as millionaires in Qatar, the state who own and push the radicalizing stories they publish through Al Jazeera.

I appreciate your efforts, though, and I am sorry for the inevitable downvotes.

That's because the real wealth transfer has been to the billionaires and close to billionaires.

Nothing will fix that short of a cyclical historic repetition of the French Revolution.

Lots of us believe in Israel's right to defend itself. You're on Lemmy, so it can seem that this isn't a divided or divisive issue, but I assure you it is--especially among people who know their history. Another reason the bulk of the 18-24 group is making up a lot of the Hamas sympathizers.

Not looking to debate it eith you, but I PROMISE, if you get out of the Lemmy bubble you'll find it's not a cut and dry situation like you framed it.

Their greed forced everyone to the high seas. There's no reason to head back to land anytime soon. Gyarrrrrr!

LOL, weird the dems have never done political theater and then fucked everyone over and over for decades... oh wait.

This is NOT an endorsement of the Nazis to the right of the dems. Who has identical economic policies and worship fascism.