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Obligate Carnivore: Cats, Dogs, and What it Really Means to be Vegan by Jed Gillen

Great read!

So I understand this, vegans promoting vegan cat diets need scientifically proved reproducible peer reviewed studies backing their claims, while the "feed cats whatever garbage is in these cans as long as its meat™" crowd can just say it with their chest, right?

The rules are written so the admins and mods can maintain their positions and feelings without having to explain themselves. Its an insistence that whatever they do is right because they own the place.

Thanks for banning discussion? Gonna have to explain that one.

You know what would be in the news, if a vegan forced their cat to be vegan until it died.

You know how many stories youll find about that. About 1 and the cat survived.

Now compare that to stories of healthy vegan cats, youll find plenty of those. Usually the stories are written from a skeptic point of view but the stories are there.

Noone else has considered it, and they are going with their gut reaction rather than consider both sides. Isnt the internet a fun place!

Thank you medical professional who surely also has experience with nutrition.

They asked for clarity on the admin position, thats all.

The original post leaves a lot open for interpretation. There are a group of people who would leave over this decision, and they are just asking to be able to make a decision more easily.

I will say since this post was the admin team saying they did nothing wrong, that the followup specifically about the vegan post in question will be full of similar nonsense.

Apparently that organization in your link has no issue advising its possible to have a healthy vegan/vegetarian diet. Guess they aren't afraid people will kill their cats over it.

To be fair, you aren't vegan and are incredibly obnoxious. Maybe you just attract obnoxious people in your life, vegan or not.

No vegan would ever accept any degradation in their cats life just to make them vegan.

The only discussions are around maintaining a cats health and happiness while feeding them a vegan diet that contains all the same supplements non vegan food does.

Theres plenty of cats who just dont like the two vegan brands available and so thats that, they aren't vegan.

Its absurd that you all think that vegans of all people would tolerate hurting an animal or reducing its quality of life in any way.

What do you all think vegan even means?

I agree with you but wanted to add that non vegan cat food has the same quality and nutritional value issues.

I think some people assume vegan cat food means feeding them whole foods prepared at home but thats ridiculous. It would be just as ridiculous to decide to start formulating your own cats nutritional needs with non vegan food.

Preparing your own animal food is its own subject entirely, and vegan and non vegan cat foods share a lot of the same processes and ingredients.

I like how your main rebuttal to vegan cat food is "its just silly". Appeals to intuition are surely substantial right?

This is purely shutting down a discussion based on emotional reasons, otherwise discussions about sexual abuse or child abuse would be banned as well "lest new gullible users think they might be suggestions".

If you want to actually read about the current scientific discussion on the matter I suggest reading "Obligate Carnivore: Cats, Dogs, and What it Really Means to be Vegan by Jed Gillen."

Okay so no jokes on the internet anymore then right.

Y'all need to follow your premises through mentally.

If you won't admit Rookie made a mistake then it makes the whole site/team look bad.

Amending the rules puts out a message of: "we were right the whole time but you all just didnt understand it".

Try reading some current information on it. It can be healthy for a cat to be vegan if it is done correctly.

The most difficult part is quote a lot of cats are picky to the point they won't eat the one or two brands that are actually nutritionally complete.

Its absurd they are banning even the discussion of this when research keeps trending towards the possibility of a healthy vegan cat.

Mostly, I think its absurd to think these discussions will actually hurt real cats. If the owner is basing their information on this websites shitposters, they are already a horrible owner.

I don't think this is the place for this discussion obviously but just know this subject has a lot of taboo and misinformation around it.

I recommend reading Obligate Carnivore: Cats, Dogs, and What it Really Means to be Vegan by Jed Gillen if you are interested in digging deep into it.

Sure, explain it to me. What is it that a cat can't get from non-meat sources?

I think all of this says more about the faith people have in the quality of their cat food.

Also people seem to love the words obligate carnivore but have not much understanding of the concept.

Oh and lastly, my favorite is discounting all evidence as anecdotal or "not good research".

This is some of the stupidest dogpiling ive seen and really drives home how simple the average person on here is.

"Hur dur, if people talk about the possibility of a vegan cat then surely their owners will starve them and refuse to change course until they die!"

They are literally saying the opposite.

Is this really about peoples inability to consider that cats could live long healthy lives on a vegan diet?

I don't understand the aversion to it. Noones on here going to read any of the post in question and then go and kill their cat with an unhealthy diet.

Here's an idea. Don't base medical decisions solely on internet conjecture. If you think this is meant to be a place for only settled science from decades ago, then what is the point of discussion.

I have to say that the moderator team here doubling down is absurd and shows they take themselves too seriously.

This site is literally an opinion board, and they are now saying that these opinions are so scary and dangerous they might hurt someones cat.

Childish behavior from what I'm sure are actual children running this website.

Good thing theres a bunch of other lemmy providers because this one is proving to be just as awful as reddit was, which I guess I should have expected since thats where everyone here came from.

Its harder to get a vegan cat post through this site than posts covering pedophilia or sexual assault, so I guess which of those three things is too dangerous to talk about, really?