Skip Navigation

InitialsDiceBearhttps://github.com/dicebear/dicebearhttps://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/„Initials” (https://github.com/dicebear/dicebear) by „DiceBear”, licensed under „CC0 1.0” (https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/)RE
Posts
6
Comments
714
Joined
2 yr. ago

  • Ok, so before 1918, the Ottomans had that piece of land for about 400 years. I guess that makes a turkish claim is older, and therefore stronger, by your logic, am I right?

    Before that there was the Mamluks for 200 years, but that doesn’t seem an ethnicity that’s notable today, so let’s forget that.

    Before that, the cruzaders had that land for 200 years, I suppose that means Europe also has an older claim.

    Before that, Arabs for 400 years, so I see we’re back to their claim.

    But hold on, before that, it was Roman territory for a whopping 700 years. That’s notable. Italia has a really good claim, I’d say.

    But even before, there were the Jews there, and for close to a thousand years. So, following your logic the state Israel has all right to be there.

    Before that there also lived people, of course, but it’s hard to pinpoint those to ethnicity. Egypt was there shortly. That’s an older claim even, but not very long.

    Hmm. Are now all those people justified in killing innocents on some grounds that hasn’t been “theirs” for generations?

  • Again, what’s the justification for killing innocents? Because they walk on land that another claims theirs? That sort of thinking always and everywhere only led to war and war crimes.

    As for the Israelis, for those who live there, it’s their home, for many going back three generations. In many cases those ancestors took it it legally under ottoman law. I find that 24-undisputed-hour-rule questionable myself, but your story doesn’t hold up legally in many cases, nor historical. Everyone’s ancestors lived someplace. That doesn’t automatically make that place theirs.

    Pointing to an old map and claiming the territory that another currently occupies never leads to peace.

  • Now you named one factor that explains this mess, and no objection here. But I’m still missing the answer how killing innocents can be justified.

    It seems to me that you think that every person that lives in Israel is responsible for everything that the Israeli government did over the years.

    How is that any different from this weeks retaliation that this Israel government hands out over the massacres of citizens by hamas from last weekend?

  • I’m not “you people”, and I’m far from supporting this.

    But I hate misinformation, and this money is used to push American industry, not given away. The end products are, but the money, aside from filling pockets of the defense contractors also supports American jobs.

    From the point of American economy that’s preferable than, say, tax cuts for the rich.

    The moral side of things is a different matter, but a moral argument cannot be supported with lies about economics. If anything that makes the moral position weaker.

  • You are saddling the horse from behind.

    Yea, the education must get cheaper. A lot. But the lever to do that is a cost adjustment for the education, not artificially lowering demand by discriminating against the poor even more.

  • I was equating killing innocents with killing innocents, nothing else.

    You are justifying mass punishment with …something about your daughter, and with that exposing exactly the attitude that keeps the region in a never ending cycle of death.

  • Eye witness report “ Gunmen chased fleeing revellers across the desert, shooting and snatching people.”

    And many very similar stories, including brutal rape and beheadings.

    I continue calling your words lies.

  • And pretty much indistinguishable. All those ravers, how could anyone differentiate them from military personnel???

    your logic doesn’t make sense to anyone who is not caught in ideological hatred.

    No wait, I’m calling it lies. Not logic. Lies.

  • Are you saying the only options are handing out collective punishment or accepting death?

    First, that’s doubtable. But if so, I’d indeed accept death. I’m not killing innocents.

    I’d rather die than become a living monster.

  • Umm… do they transfer money now? Usually they transfer weapons produced by Americans paid for by Americans.

    That’s the same thing that has been going on for decades, only now it’s not American soldiers who do the shooting.