rdyoung @ rdyoung @lemmy.world

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Actually I am. That's kind of how thinking for yourself works. I have years of experience that clearly others don't. I've read enough and seen enough on just how much people throw out and it's pushed me to reduce my actual trash to a min. For a household of 3 adults we trash way less than people who live by themselves. We compost everything we can, recycle/reuse what we can and burn the rest.

If you or the doofus I responded to had ever actually worked restaurants or grocery stores you would understand what I am saying, but, that would also assume that you have working braincells and aren't going on just being contrary to argue and feel like you are more than you are.

You have a nice day now.

This isn't the problem you two think it is. No one is talking about feeding an entire city from one skyscraper. But, you could feed an entire block from one or two levels of a skyscraper.

I'm now going to block you two twits because I don't have to time for this shit right now. Going out tonight to see Gladys Knight and I have to respond to someone helping me grow my business.

You really need to argue don't you?

This problem you are stuck on isn't actually a problem. Why? Because of how much more efficient it is. No one is saying that one vertical farm will feed the entire country. We will still have local farms, home gardens, etc. This is the future of growing food both produce now and meat in the coming decades.

Yes, the solar panels only convert like 18% of the incoming light, but, again, $ for $ growing things with solar and aero/hydro is way way cheaper than dirt, relying on the sun, seasons, etc.

Seriously. Maybe stop focusing on what you think is wrong and work to improve things.

Vertical farming is the only way we will feed people in the coming decades.

All of this is wrong. It sounds like you don't know how much more efficient hydro and aero is with leds that can be programmed to trick the plants into thinking it's whatever season you want. Not to mention being able to grow tomatoes in Canada in the winter.

Indoor, vertical farming with aero/hydro is many many times more efficient. The 2 plants I have real numbers for (because they are similar) tomatoes and weed will grow up to twice as fast without manipulating the day/night cycle.

As for energy use. Solar is fucking dirt cheap and even without solar, it's extremely cheap to run the lights and other systems.

Seriously my dude/dudette. Do yourself a favor and look into this. I highly doubt that everyone who is investing in this and using it now is wrong and you are the only one who knows better. There is a reason why the best weed is always hydro or aero especially when you can grow it anywhere.

You might be surprised to find out just how much produce already comes from indoor farms. It's the going vertical with it or turning an entire floor of a building into a farm that is what is needed to feed our growing population. You can only spread out so far horizontally, vertically let's you go as high as you can build.

Oh and you might want to look into just how damaging regular farming is for the environment. With hydro/aero you use way less fertilizer than growing in dirt along with a fraction of a fraction of the water.

I mean personally. He is not going to do any real time, if any time behind bars, period. The sooner we get ourselves okay with that, the better.

I'm okay with knowing that the orange anal douche is the downfall of the people who worshipped him to their own detriment.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'll be watching with glee when more on the right are brought up on charges and/or permanently barred from politics and whatever their original field was before running for office.

At this point I'm almost okay with him not serving any real time so long as he doesn't get be president again and they keep running down everything that has and will come up from investigating him until most of the right is either locked up or barred from politics.

I actually do argue that and I'm not in the mood to tear it apart. I know what the average household throws out despite mine being on the (damn near nothing) end of the bell curve.

If you had actually ever worked any grocery or restaurants, you would know what I know and just because it was done by the nih doesn't mean it's accurate at all or even well done.

I really doubt that the entirety of a week's worth of grocery store trash would be less than that of the combined households that shop there. And as I said because I'm sure the study didn't cover, thats not even accounting for the various vendors throwing out old or close dated products.

Some things like the aforementioned bread sometimes gets moved elsewhere and I'm sure some of them donate it to second harvest or similar but then you also have the chips, beer, etc that all come in via vendor and the trash/out date stuff goes with them so you can't really track it because the store doesn't have that in their system.

I'm also not sure you know how large a standard retail dumpster is and how often they are picked up. You also likely have no idea just how much fits into the compactors that stores use. Stores throw out way way more food than you seem to realize.

In addition to the above, I'd also bet that the nih didn't account for the "weird" produce that doesn't make It to shelves because (most) people won't buy it, if also wager that they didn't account for the product that goes bad sitting around between suppliers, DCs, stores, etc.

Oh and before I am done here. Please do yourself a favor and look up the definition for the word "argue". I am not saying that I know for a fact, I'm saying that I would ARGUE that I'm right.

The nih and you are putting this problem on the consumer when just like water usage, the consumer is the least of the problems with waste.

You have a nice day now.

This right here. This is what would piss me off. On the off chance I walk in and order, the price changes by the time I get to the register to order.

People need to just go old school and start packing a lunch. It's probably time I got back in that habit. I drive for a living and I keep a stash of meat sticks in my car, I should probably start bringing some hard boiled eggs and maybe some meat and cheese wraps for when I am really famished.

I only eat from the deals menu, redeeming points or when they do something like the chicken sandwiches 2/$6. You have to be smart about eating at mcdicks, if you just roll up and order whatever you will definitely spend more money than the food is actually worth.

Problem is that these never never trumpers on the right are never going to vote for Biden so if they do vote, it will only help trump even if they say they don't like him.

Don't listen to what people say, watch what they do. Plenty of maggats say they don't like trump right up until it's time to lockstep and vote for the fascists. Some of those same people would vote against any other party who does the shit the republicans are pulling now but because they have a R next to their name they get their vote regardless of much they disagree with them.

I'd argue that the largest source is actually grocery stores followed by restaurants. I've worked a few grocery stores including target when they added pfresh. The food that gets tossed by deli/bakery alone will piss you off. Second harvest would only come around once or twice a week so the rest of the time tons of bread, fried chicken, cakes, etc would get tossed in the trash. And thats not even accounting for the vendor trash. At least once I rescued a ton of little debbie stuff from a dumpster, it was all still boxed up and in date, the boxes had been smashed by something so the vendor tossed it.

The amount of outdated chobani I pulled off an end cap once would make your head spin. I filled up an entire shopping cart once because the idiots who were supposed to be running pfresh just kept stuffing it full without rotating stock or checking dates.

Oh and ask me about the pallets of bananas that tgt would throw out because they were shipped too much, didn't sell enough, etc.

One bread vendor I knew would take the close dated bread to the nearest good will so it had a chance to sell but I'm not sure about others.

This is definitely one of the ways forward. Many, many, many, many moons ago I attempted to run a blog about growing fresh produce in an urban environment. You can't feed a family on what will fit in a window box or on an apt porch but you can have tomatoes for a salad or on a burger, lettuce for that salad that is actually good for you and more.

If we are talking feeding the most people at once from a central location, hydro and aeroponics is what is needed, combined with leds of varying colors and you can cut the growth time down by 50% or more, that means 90 day tomatoes in 45 or so with aeroponics and 60ish with hydro iirc.

I'm a proponent of multiple avenues. Do the vertical farming and focus on community gardens where kids especially can get their hands dirty and learn something about the planet we live on.

Wouldn't this run afoul of most states weights and meaures?

This right here. We don't have a food scarcity issue or even a price problem for most things. What we have is a logistics problem. Way too many people live in what are called food deserts. If they have easy access to "food" it's usually of the convenience store variety, overpriced and extremely bad for you.

I know not everyone can afford it but those that can should look at misfits marketplace. They sell the oddball produce that most people won't buy so it doesn't make it your local store, when a design changes drastically or is printed wrong, etc.

Tackiing hunger in this country will take money because money makes thing happen but it will also take more than just buying a bunch of food and handing it out. It's going to take a push for more community gardens, maybe allowing agriculture inside limits where it isn't at the moment, etc.

This is the only way anything like this changes. Hopefully some folks at city hall will do just this and turn it around on the doofuses.

From what I see here and previously on reddit and when I was sort of (but not really) active on fb. I definitely feel like that or at the least I'm one of only a few willing to call out insanity and try to educate others so we all have a better future.

If more people like us would step up and be more active online and off, we may have been able to avoid the whole trump in office bit to begin with. I know that most us are not spotlight friendly and would rather just be left alone but we can't live like that for the foreseeable future. Not until enough of the maggats and their leaders are in jail or barred from politics for life.

I was telling everyone I knew about trump when he first ran this time around. Even in my circles I'm an exception who knew what trump was and has known for 30+ years.

I didn't say the amount was changing I was simply echoing what I have seen some smaller chapters say about why they are going broke. The average idiot is sending trump money directly and he is using that to pay his legal bills (probably) which means the local politicians have less funds to work with.

I can see certain individuals being blacklisted but the big money knows how the game is played and knows that you have to work from the ground up and groom, train, etc the up and coming ones to keep whatever control you or your family has cultivated over the decades or centuries.

Salt isn't a flavor, it's a flavor enhancer.

I respond to every single one of these that pop up because we are still working on corporate backed bad science. Salt is not bad for you, neither is fat. Sugar is always bad for you and the amount of it you need for it to stop food from going bad is almost hilarious. What canned foods use is a combination of things, one of them being the actual canning process, the combination of boiling to kill as much as possible and then vacuum sealing it means that as long as there is no break in the seal the food is good basically til the end of time.

Y'all motherfuckers need some Alton Brown. Regular table salt does not really have its own flavor or spice, it enhances the flavor of whatever it's combined with, for example when you eat just salt, what you taste is your own saliva and probably your tongue, cheeks, etc.

This works because those are also electrolytes that most people are likely to be low in. The human body needs salt and we don't actually have a problem with too much salt these days. Most canned food has gone lite salt and heavy sugar to cover up the lack of salt.

Does the fediverse have any communities for keto or low carb/high protein?