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Look who had the language issues all along. They really hire the absolute bottom of the barrel don't they?

Does the chairforce have advanced technologies to prevent oiling up keyboards with cheeto dust? I hear it causes PTSD in servicemen.

Ok vaush. Hope the new ozempic shipment reaches the base within schedule because cholesterol and desk jobs is more lethal than conventional combat.

US foreign policy shill pretending to be a communist but defending Al Qaeda jihadis pretends not to know what question marks are.

So are you saying that your brainwashing is "objective" even though you're a Fox News "communist"? All I'm asking for is consistency.

I love the conspiracy theory that Iran recruits the most useless and unhinged people like that right wing gun nut kid with the demolition ranch tee and the Ukraine nafo nut for ultra high stakes ops instead of anyone more capable. But I guess if bunker removed Bibi said it then it must be true.

Pro-religious thing you said? You're here whining about the rights of monks to brainwash kids and Uyghur jihadis lmao.

You've been incapable of answering any of my questions so far and switched to one liners? Typical shill.

Too advanced for Eglin chairforce base tactical cheeto eaters.

Pro-religious propaganda communist, sure buddy. Crickets about everything else as usual.

Shutup vaush.

So you were pushing anti-communist propaganda all along and had all these cocksure anti-PRC beliefs already but disguised them as care for feudal theocratic brainwashing of minors? So you can't really argue about literally anything I said like Tibet having a local government of Tibetan communists that you discount entirely because you're an anticommunist shill and not because you care about anything other than manufacturing anti-PRC consent? So you do this using articles from explicitly pro-western propaganda sites like the one above but would never consider checking the other side and yet you call others "cock sure"? So you're so clueless enough to mix up leninism with maoism even though neither invalidate Tibet having a Tibetan government anyway? So unless a nation is an ethnostate there's oppression happening? So only voting for bougie duopoly parties every four years is "democratic" but open access to constant voting and decision making through local governments available to all citizens who want to get involved isn't democratic because Murican crapitalism doesn't operate like that? So you have far far less political representation than anyone in PRC but you want to yap about representation lmao? So you want to bring up the Uyghurs while the source for that is still crappy CIA propaganda and it's actually about religious extremists that you otherwise lock up in Guantanamo when they turn against you? So you keep somehow siding with religious anti--freedom fanatics? So you're so concerned about a state making sure that religious authorities don't end up acting like a political Trojan horse while the West is constantly legislating censorship and repression and cracking down on demonstrations against real genocidal foreign policy and supporting genocidal colonial states? So you almost definitely have never done anything or even posted anything about the liberation of colonized Guam but yet you're yapping about PRC being "imperialist" as if the Tibetans themselves aren't part of their own administration? All I'm asking for is consistency!

I predict crickets like before. But let's go deeper.

So you're either clueless or a liar and don't know that Chinese officials are literally all elected but you imagine who knows what sort of magical appointment by the ghost of Mao probably? So you're almost definitely going to whine about lack of "legitimate" elections in the PRC because it's a single party system as if having two parties that also vet and preapprove their candidates is better outside your propaganda? So you don't know that all levels of government and the party itself are open and you don't need millions to run unlike Murica, making them more democratic institutions because what you really want are pro-calitalist wreckers being allowed to run to turn China into a colony again so you can get cheaper goods in the west? So you clearly don't care about nations (and not just ethnostates) having sovereignty because you want cheaper crap and global dominance for your side at the expense of everyone else? So westerners get to complain about supposedly other nations not having enough democracy while simultaneously complaining about their own parties stealing elections all the time lol?

I've got better ones.

So you complain about whataboutism when the Tibetan issue is literal whataboutism lmao?

Bestest one: So the only valid voices are religious extremists who support western propaganda ( and not the Chinese Han, Tibetans, Uyghurs etc who support their government because you know, they have healthcare, employment, religious freedom AND freedom FROM religion, womens' rights and constantly increasing quality of life unlike the west that consistently loses all these things?

All I'm asking for is consistency.

Oh I forgot. So you either haven't heard or pretend not to know about the oppressed fanatical jihadi Uyghurs active in Syria as Al Qaeda forces? So you're saying that the PRC should embrace Al Qaeda because you clearly support and care about its members? We can talk about the Uyghurs all you want lol, it's you who'll dodge the subject.

What infighting? In the western bloc the banking-industrial capital is reaching new heights of consolidation but the only manufacturing that it can't outsource over to SEA sweatshops is the arms industry because it's all protected knowhow and technologies that can't be outsourced. This constantly causes issues because outsourcing to neo-colonial hellholes with zero working rights is the preferred method of preventing a declining profit rate, and we're talking about an industry that requires a unique form of government sponsored oligopoly - monopsony Frankenstein market so it's basically massively artificial and kept afloat by constant military engagements to create more market activity otherwise production dies out. Competing geopolitical adversaries drive up continuous R&D so that throws a necessary lifeline to this monster.

There's some removed due to banking-industrial consolidation and conglomeration because it erodes the mid-upper middle class of millionaires and millionaire wannabe investor/hustler ancap types that want to become Elon Musks with daddy's 400k which all manifests in mass media noise because that's the most important voting group (as the influencing class of everyone below and the default "voice of society", the upper middle class is the class overlord of journalism, PMC, the academia, career politicians etc). But that's just hyenas fighting over getting scraps from the big boss table, not a sign of infighting at the actual big boss table. Petite bourgeois infighting.

And internationally there are peripheral capitalist nationalisms plus geopolitical forced alliances to prevent global domination by the West. That could be legitimate infighting but it's also artificial, without bougie capitalist states forcing their industries to act as national enterprises and not proceed to multinational expansion and merging with western multinationals (the consolidation I mentioned above) they'd also be peachy with international-western capital. All capital is by definition a future traitor of national projects and the ultimate doom of bougie politics.

It's a huge shame that for some reason it's just conspiracy theorists that mention Vanguard, State Str., BlackRock and Blackstone because they're exactly the predicted consolidated-conglomerated mega-capital appearing at the height of capitalist historical development. Not abnormal at all, not a conspiracy, not a secret cabal, just fully predicted capital consolidation. The various primadonnas like Musk and Bezos are in the news because they're thirsty for publicity, exposure and showing off but they don't represent global capitalism. It's these asset management companies that are the real core.

One of the best developments in decades was the West (through France) losing their neo-colonies in central-west Africa because it hurt western capital's cheap resource extraction. The entire system is incredibly precarious and rests upon the periphery not turning socialist and cutting off cheap SEA labour and African/S. American/Asian resource plunder. Which is also lowkey why western media barely reported on Burkina Faso kicking out the French. If that holds, expands and turns meaningfully socialist it's game over for capitalism.

Otherwise there are market fluctuations due to technological disruptions and market share redistribution but it's just noise and mainly relevant to investors.

The WSWS Trotsks are addicted to trying the old opportunistic entryism tactic despite consistently becoming corrupted by CIA type libdemcap slogans. As soon as you bite the "Trump is an aberration" bait you're instantly poisoned to think that some Democrat election victory is an improvement, somehow, vaguely. The whole idea of Trump exceptionalism is that Trump isn't simply an uncouth, unpolished manager of western capitalism but otherwise exactly the same type of functionary but somehow different and worse as if multiple Trumps don't control both parties as a class regardless of more polished public facing career politicians who aren't as obnoxious as him. Basically politics on the level of liberal bougie aesthetics and what is palatable to some affluent urban elite. Some polished rabid interventionist like Obama or the Clintons is fine to them.

Trump should be seen as even more characteristic of the system itself, capitalism-imperialism without PR clothes, randomly opportunistic, chaotic, populist etc otherwise the trap of post-Trump "return to respectable capitalist normalcy" springs automatically.

Unfortunately as long as these views dominate then most energy is getting siphoned into the Democrat "humane imperialism/capitalism" scam, nobody will have to enforce dictatorships because there's no organized interstate working class movement to threaten the system itself (only low level resistance to ICE and the intention to vote Dems next time) and more polished bougie liberal approved candidates will return. Same thing that happened after the 99% thing when Bernie acted as the bait for the same type of electoral politics scam.

Basically middle class bougie liberals are implicitly framing this as social class semantics, as class shame about internationally being represented by some pro-redneck populist that makes them look lower class (existential level problem for liberal social capital, can't look bad through associations with uncultured bougies but a military-industrial complex puppet politician with 5 PhDs is perfectly desirable).

It's lowkey a type of stress over making the real workings of the system too obvious and ruining manufactured consent so why the hell do the Trotsks also feed into this instead of framing Trump as an absolutely typical bourgeois overlord that is finally not hidden behind the PR curtain of professional politicians? They're all exactly like that in function. Not to mention that the entire mainline discourse about Trump is great man theory of history in its most extreme.

So theocracy is okay? So feudalism and serfdom is okay? So not having any political representation is okay? So rule by religious elites and nobility is okay? So brainwashing children is okay? So suggesting that every nation should be an ethnostate otherwise it's "oppression" is okay? So completely ignoring that Tibet is an autonomous region within China is okay? So ignoring that Tibet has a local government is okay? So acting like the Tibetans in the local government don't count because they're communists is okay? So implying that unelected "governments in exile" are automatically more legitimate is okay? So pretending that separatists are democratic and not a tool of Western imperialism (the real one) is okay? So making Charlie Kirk type arguments by distorting what imperialism and colonialism means and using definitions based on vibes and feels is okay? So lowkey wanting to expand western economic and political dominance in Asia and turn more regions into South Koreas is okay? So ignoring that the Dalai Lama himself recognizes Tibet as part of a multiethnic PRC (and Tibet itself is multiethnic) is okay? So crappy US propaganda is okay? So nitpicking and distorting PRC policies in edge cases while ignoring actual western imperialism and colonialism of currently real genocidal proportions is okay? All I'm asking for is consistency.

Want more? It's not hard. Yes I'm sure you think that forcefully ending slavery in the USA for example "backfired" (you said invariably so it's included) and that undermines any moral stance that abolitionists may once had because they weren't gentle with the slave owners and didn't "convince" them first. Sure buddy.

When is the USA going to grant full citizen rights to Guam, like the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in the Houses by the way? Guam independence when? Guam is far less incorporated into USA than Tibet is in PRC, with pretty much zero precedence of historical or cultural ties unlike Tibet.

So it's okay to be a hypocrite? Consistency.

Never assume that mass downvoting in systems that allow up/down voting is organic when the subject matter is US foreign policy and stuff like articles that "thoughtfully" shit talk geopolitical adversaries. It's just a cheap way for fake consensus building, fake peer pressure etc. Tibet was a theocratic feudal kingdom before China ended that garbage, the kind of system that would make the KKK salivate.

More AI pearl clutching by crapmodo because this type of outrage porn sells. Yeah the engagement fine tuning sucks but it's no different than other dopamine hacking engagement systems used in big social networks. No outrage porn about algorithmic echo chambers driving people insane though because it's not as clickbaity.

Anyway, people don't randomly get psychosis because anyone or anything validated some wonky beliefs and misinformed them about this and that. Both these examples were people already diagnosed with something and the exact same thing would happen if they were watching Alex Jones and interacting with other viewers. Basically how flat earth bs spread.

The issue here is the abysmal level of psychiatric care, lack of socialized medicine, lack of mental health awareness in the wider population, police interactions with mentally ill people being abnormally highly lethal and not crackpot theories about AI causing delusions. That's now how delusions work.

Also casually quoting Yudkowski? The Alex Jones of scifi AI fear mongering? The guy who said abortions should be allowed up until a baby develops qualia at 2-3 years of age? That's the voice of reason for crapmodo? Lmao.

More like "Trust me bro I'm on the Iran desk at Eglin Airforce Base." There are Iranians yapping on Facebook etc, even the critical ones don't use US State Department lingo to refer to the Iranian government like "the mullahs" lol.

Okay so it says nothing about member on member attacks and historical precedence demonstrates neutrality but you invented an interpretation. It also doesn't say that NATO members are obligated to help defenders and not attackers, there's also historical precedence of NATO attacking therefore members would be free to assist the USA in your scenario since NATO supposedly fights other NATO countries.

That says nothing about attacks of NATO members on NATO members and there are precedents like Turkey taking over and occupying half of Cyprus leading to war between members Greece and Turkey where the other useless members did absolutely nothing because the standard interpretation is that NATO doesn't protect members from other members. Stop making up theories and spreading misinformation.

Honestly you can't even meaningfully summarize just the 20th century and late 19th in a single comment. Unleashing Pinkertons on strikers for example. Prez Wilson mass deporting Italians because they were anarchists and socialists while also designing little ethnostates after WWI and creating the excuse for WWII.

But that's where most would agree. If I said that even the liberal-leaning (not leftist, liberal) dominant discourse via mass media constantly frames US politics in terms of "stupidity" i.e. innate unchanging characteristics and not criminally underfunded public education that makes the working class more easily manipulated by bougie populists on both sides then I'm not sure most people would either get or want to admit that even the liberal dominant norms are lowkey eugenicist race science nazi shit but without calling it explicitly eugenics.

But it's a thing that once you see it you can't unsee it.

Yeah okay sure, when the US was putting down mass insurrections in Detroit etc with the National Guard and there was armed combat in the streets (1960s) the US wasn't a fascist hellhole officially. Or the entire period until the 1965 Voting Act and the multiple Civil Rights Acts (didn't end in the 60s) that it took for "constitutional rights" to be applied to all residents because simply being a resident didn't make you a full citizen in the "constitutional republic" if you didn't have the right skin tone, that also wasn't officially a fascist hellhole either.

What else? Henry Ford publishing a ton of dodgy anti-Semitic literature in the 1920s and inspiring Hitler and the Euro OG fascists? Not officially fascist hellhole enough.

Blood quantum laws, one drop rules, eugenics programs etc that also directly inspired the Nazis but were often rejected for being too extreme for them (the Nuremberg blood laws that determined Jewish ancestry are significantly more lenient than US one drop laws)? Not officially fascist hellhole.

Yeah, USA was straight up Weimar Republic or maybe the USSR or maybe anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War until Trump won in 2016.

Can people start pushing back against this self-serving center-lib romantic bs already? Because simply put, if it all got ruined because of Trump then come right out and say openly that you're fine with everything that came before because it mostly affected natives, blacks and foreigners but not US WASPs. Or I don't know, relax because saying it's always been a total hellhole doesn't mean you support Trump.

Maybe I should mention that this is Cold War era propaganda about USA representing "freedom and democracy" (the free world bs) vs totalitarianism etc back during the time segregation and putting people in jail for sodomy were supposedly freedom loving acts?