phantomwise @ phantomwise @lemmy.ml

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People listening to music or watching videos on their crappy phone speakers on public transports drive me crazy... I don't want to hear the coughing fits of agony of your phone's speakers for hours on the train 😭 JUST BUY EARPHONES

Everything was believable until you mentioned Star Wars

Wait was that Anubis without an anime girl? YOU MONSTERRRRS!

So it's a system like qwerty-fr ?

    
Grave accent ` 	Press AltGr + corresponding letter (works for letters e, u, i, o and a).
Acute accent ´ 	Press AltGr + key left the corresponding letter (works for the letter e).
Circumflex ^ 	Press AltGr + key above the corresponding letter (works for letters e, u, i, o and a).
Diaeresis ¨ 	Press AltGr + key below the corresponding letter (works for letters e, y, u, i, o and a).
Cedilla ¸ 	Press AltGr + corresponding letter (works for the letter c).
Ligature œ/æ 	Press AltGr + key right the corresponding letter (works for letters o and a).

  

Wait it's worse than the Chinese one? 😮

I didn't know that was even possible...

Ah that explains it! The other one must terrify people by its sheer overkill awesomeness!

A lot of people I know do use BEPO, but I'm not a fan :

• It doesn't keep Z, X, C, V in the same place as QWERTY, so all the Ctrl+C shortcuts and such require different movements, and you can't do them all with one hand easily anymore.
• I mostly type in english, so having keys dedicated to è, ê, à and ç seems a waste of keys
• I don't like that ç is a separate key at the other side of the keyboard than c and not just AltGr+C
• Having punctuation in the middle of the keyboard feels weird
• In the numbers row, it keeps the inversion of numbers and symbols of AZERTY, so that the default characters are the symbols and not the numbers... it's annoying on laptops

There's also Ergo-L which I find a lot more sensible : https://ergol.org/ But again I have nitpicks like Z, X and V being in the same place as in QWERTY... but not C 😑

I gave up on finding a perfect layout so I thought I might as well just use colemak as a base and edit the layout files to add the special characters I need.

I should have called this thread TEARDOWN OF EVERY KEYBOARD LAYOUT!!!! (except the Canadian ones 😂 )

WHAT...

I don't get the people recommending Mint and Ubuntu or atomic distros, those are great for a beginner who just wants their system to work without having to be bothered, but I'm not sure you could find worse if your goal is to learn how your system works...

You need :

• Good documentation, so that could find answers when trying to understand something.
• A large community, so you can ask questions if you need to
• Configuration that's easy to mess with
• Not a distro filling a very specialized niche (don't go for one of the distros without systemd, unless you actually know what systemd is and have a reason for not wanting it)
• One of the "base" distros, rather than one that is based on another one with modifications (that will make it easier to understand if you don't have to deal with what Mint added on top of Debian for ex)
• No weird shit that confuses you when you try to understand what is going on ("Why is my lsblk spammed by fake partitions?... oh right Snaps"... "Wait why is that a Snap, I installed the package with apt?")

So I'd say either Arch or Debian (or Debian testing, if you want Debian but with updates more often than once every century). Not sure about Fedora, I'm not familiar with it.

Arch is a great way to learn how your system works, if you know what you are getting into.

The documentation is very extensive and a lot of people use it, so when you do encounter a problem you can usually find the solution easily enough in the docs or in forums.

I'm also not sure that it's inherently more challenging than other distros, a lot of stuff is pretty much the same no matter your distro, except that with Arch nothing gets in the way so personally I find it easier to understand.

And the reputation Arch has for breaking stuff during updates is either very overblown, or I've just had the most terrible luck and missed all of them. I've only seen one big breakage, the FUSE regression, which was pretty cool, and that was fixed almost immediately.

There's also software availability to consider, and Arch is one of the distros with the most packages available (second one after NixOS I think).

Personally I regret having wasted several months on another distro because people kept saying that you absolutely shouldn't start with Arch, and that if you wanted to try Arch you HAD to do it with a manual install (guess how well that went when I was fresh from Windows 😂 ). So I failed to manually install Arch for a month, then I spend three months on a random other distro before finally installing Arch with the archinstall script. I expected that it'd be insanely complicated and that I'd break everything in a few days but it's been surprisingly straightforward. The challenging part is understanding how things work when the documentation presupposes prior knowledge that I don't have. Now after over a year I'm familiar enough with Arch that I'll try a manual install when I change hard drive and reinstall.

I want to argue and defend our honor, but... looking at our keyboard layout and our spelling rules, I'm not sure how I could 😂

It is with great reluctance that I say anything nice about Windows, but I did like the ability to type any character from its ALT+number code. Much less convenient than having a good keyboard layout or a compose key, but it's a pretty cool feature.

Oh that's nice to know! Until know I've had to manually configure a different locale for language than for time and units in order to get the same effect, I might just use en-CA on the next install it sounds much simpler!

That's interesting, I'm glad to know people who didn't grow up with azerty also find it awful! Someone else also mentionned CSA, it looks based... all those specials characters 🤩

And just to be nitpicky : Ça sera bientôt les vacances! There, first letter cedilla 😛

I took a look and it seems it's possible :

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Configuring_compose_key

I haven't had the energy to read everything in details but I'll give it a try when I do, thanks for the suggestion

Writing unaccented uppercase? TO THE STAAAAAAKE!

The heretics must burn 🔥 🔥 🔥

(I might possibly need therapy to get over French schools teachings about what constitutes "correct French")

Oh so you would need a desktop environment to have a compose key 😢

But it's nice to know that the option exists!

A semi-translucent one with the blurry silhouette of people making out printed on it.

Really? That's nice to know, I've always heard that it would cause problems if you didn't update for a long time.

I'm not sure what the Compose key is. Is it an additional modifier you need to define?

Is that the one?

You have « » and all the accents? 🤯

You even have OE and AE? 😭

So there's an ACTUALLY usable keyboard for French but no one in France even knows it exists because it's not metropolitan French? Why am I not surprised 😑

You even have division and multiplication symbols and FRACTIONS and every symbol that you might ever need? 😭 😭 😭

And it seems like it would work well for English, French and German?

How have you not conquered the world yet? 😮

I just looked it up and wow it comes close to making sense but doesn't quite manage to get there 😮

You can feel that the people making it weren't completely drunk, they realized that it would be a good idea to put ( ) together and [ ] as well... but no one cares about curly braces and symmetry looks nice I guess?

µ is AltGr+M ? Wow someone actually thought things through! I guess it'll be the same for € and @... Wait why is @ AltGr+Q and not AltGr+A?... Did you guys base the layout off azerty at some point before realizing that was stupid and switching to qwerty, but you forgot to move @ along with A ? 😂