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This is a fair assessment. I am surprised. I've been seeing a lot of denial of Pakistan's association with terrorism around this site.

Traditionally, resistance movements in Kashmir did not target tourists. This was because it had an implicit agreement with the business class and local Kashmiris whose bread and butter was tourism. So harming tourists would make you look like an extremist who doesn't care about the locals. Additionally, the terrorist attack was condemned by Kashmiris coming out in the streets to protest for the first time in history. TRF doesn't have widespread support among Kashmiris because of this attack and a previous killing in Reasi, of tourists as well. In both attacks, Kashmiri people lost lives as well. A famous militant, Burhan Wani had a lot of popularity in Kashmir-300,000 people attended his funeral. But he and his gang were caught, and while they had received arms from across the border, they didn't have the sophisticated technology that these terrorists did. This particular operation was highly sophisticated and efficient, more in the pattern of trained terrorists from the attacks above listed than indigenous rebels we've seen in Kashmir. So it is quite likely it was a Pakistan funded proxy. LeT is called the most reliable and efficient proxy Pakistan uses against India, though they have conducted attacks in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well.

I can suggest a few books on Kashmir Christopher Snedden - Independant Kashmir (sympathetic to the cause, but arguably that's the moral position to take. Either way, it's fairly objective.) And a few on terrorism and LeT, if you'd like In their own words: Understanding Lashkar-e-Tayyaba - C. Christine Fair Storming the World Stage - the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba - Frankel Stephen The one above goes into depth about the Pakistani government's complicity in the activities of the group. Some of the sites detailed in this book were struck by the Indian government in the missile strike.

Why did Pakistan attack gurudwaras in Poonch, again? Why are they targeting Indian cities?

Considering the fact that Khawaja Asif said that he gets all his information from social media in an interview, I am going to wait it out, to be honest. They've been flooding social media with old videos. The truth is the first casualty in war.

Actually, the attacks targeted multiple terrorist camps. The Markaz Toiba, Muridke camp alone is responsible for 176 deaths, including 26 foreign nationals from 2008. But I agree, war is stupid.

Pakistan has also launched a disinformation campaign. Indian tv has too, though I'm not aware of any such case leaking into non-BJP aligned outlets. Except for one newspaper, which fell prey to Pakistani disinformation and then deleted the post after being proven false.

https://www.altnews.in/april-video-of-pakistani-aircraft-crash-shared-with-false-claims-that-pak-took-down-indian-rafale-jet/ https://www.altnews.in/pakistani-media-misreport-used-old-images-of-2-iaf-fighter-jets-as-counter-strike/ https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/news/amidst-operation-sindoor-news-alt-news-zubair-works-over-time-to-fact-check-claims www.outlookindia.com/amp/story/national/fact-check-viral-claim-of-indian-strike-on-karachi-port-uses-2020-gaza-images www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93g3jk39dk https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/operation-sindoor-fake-news-india-pakistan-strikes-b2747183.html

Pakistan has also targeted multiple Indian cities, but has been intercepted. It directly targeted the Golden Temple last night in Amritsar.

To set some context, an earlier comment of mine: Markaz Taiba, Muridke was NOT a mosque. It is a very well known terror hideout, even among international journalists. It was used to train Ajmal Kasab and David Headley for the 2008 attacks, which he confessed to in 2008. Osama Bin Laden himself paid for its construction. It was founded in 1988 and Lakhvi himself frequented it.

"In this book I argue that Lashkar’s evolution is informed by two defining dualities: the first is its identity as a militant outfit and as a missionary organization committed to promoting its interpretation of Ahl-e-Hadith Islam"

"In 1984, Lakhvi broke away and formed a small Ahl-e-Hadith group of his own. A year later, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed and Zafar Iqbal, two teachers at the University of Engineering and Technology (Lahore) Pakistan, formed Jamaat-ul-Dawa [Organization for Preaching, or JuD]. This was a small missionary order primarily dedicated to preaching the tenets of Ahl-e-Hadith Islam as interpreted by its founders. Soon after, the two joined forces."

(Source-Storming the World: the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Tankel Stephen) Ajmal Kasab was one of the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attack. JuD is banned now.

"Born in 1987 in Faridkot, Pakistan, Kasab dropped out of school thirteen years later to work as a laborer in his hometown. Within a year he left for Lahore, where he again worked as laborer for nearly five years. After quarreling with his father, Kasab struck out on his own. He landed a job in Jhelum city, north of Lahore. Unhappy with his meager income, Kasab quit in November 2007 and moved to Rawalpindi with a colleague named Muzaffar. A month later Kasab came upon Lashkar members collecting animal hides in the name of Jamaat-ul-Dawa during Eid al-Adha. He and Muzaffar obtained Lashkar’s office address and showed up declaring their desire to wage violent jihad. After giving their names, addresses and other details they were told to return the following morning with extra clothes, whereupon the two received 200 rupees for the bus trip to ‘a place called Marqas Taiyyaaba, Muridke’ where ‘LeT is having their training camp.’ Upon arrival there the two were promptly enrolled in Lashkar’s Daura-e-Suffa training."

(Same source. The book was published in 2011. Daura-e-Suffa refers to religious training, according to the LeT’s interpretation of the Hadiths and the Quran.)

The article you linked mentioned the seminary and classes. This is what it is.

"Life after the ban was not as easy for any of Pakistan’s jihadi groups as it had been beforehand. Fundraising, recruitment and training were restricted to different degrees for different outfits, but none got off scot-free if only because these activities could no longer be carried out as overtly as hitherto. However, the Musharraf regime had no plans to dismantle all of Pakistan’s proxies. As part of what has become known as Pakistan’s ‘double game,’ militant outfits were categorized as ‘good jihadis’ that were covertly supported for continued use as proxies and ‘bad jihadis’ that were cracked down on more harshly. This was not a purely binomial division. Assessments and treatment existed on a spectrum, meaning some ‘good jihadis’ were treated better than others and some ‘bad jihadis’ cracked down on more harshly. Categorization was based on the threats that a group posed to the state and the utility it continued to offer."

ibid. Now look up ‘good Taliban’ and ‘bad Taliban’. The Pakistani establishment still follows the same protocol for terrorists today; kill the ones that are harmful to its interests, or if pressured enough, US interests and let the ones that act as a useful proxy against India to operate freely. Look up Sajad Mir, and how Pakistan denied he existed for many years, then said he died long ago, until he was suddenly declared alive in 2022 and convicted. A French anti-terrorism expert, Jean-Louis Bruguière, in his Some Things that I Wasn’t Able to Say has stated that the Pakistani army trained the militants in the LeT camps based on his interrogation of Sajad Mir’s French companion, Willy Brigiditte.

"Lashkar was the most reliable in Islamabad’s eyes and fared the best. To begin with, it benefited from stronger connections to Pakistan’s army, ISI and civil service than other groups. Several journalists pointed out that, in addition to having recruited retired army and ISI officers into its ranks, Lashkar members had family in the middle ranks of the army and various civilian security agencies. Thus, the group was better connected than any other militant out-fit.4 It also had no strong allegiance to the Taliban and therefore was viewed as less of a threat to the state. According to one former senior official in the Intelligence Bureau, the government ordered Lashkar not to side with the Taliban in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.When it complied, this reinforced the perception that it was an obedient and reliable proxy. Finally, Lashkar’s leadership shared Musharraf’s India-centric priorities and the group remained Pakistan’s most potent proxy. One Western diplomat stationed in Pakistan went so far as to suggest the Musharraf regime would have sacrificed the other outfits if necessary in order to protect Lashkar because of its utility against India."

ibid.

To quote my other comment on c/India:

During the brutal Mumbai attacks, Pakistan denied all charges of complicity. India did everything ‘right’ - it gave a fair trial to Kasab, shared evidence with the international community and urged Pakistan to crack down on terror camps in their country. But what did Pakistan do? It denied that Kasab was a Pakistani national, denied that they had any such camps, banned journalists from going to Kasab’s village. It took years of investigation and coordination with the intelligence agencies of other countries to prove that ISI officials (which worked with the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War) were complicit. David Headley (thanks America, you never fail to disappoint when creating terrorists) and Tahawuur Rana, masterminds of the attacks, provided the necessary clues.

Pre-26/11 India and Pakistan had the warmest relations they’d had in years. Pakistan’s denial, and subsequent investigation, other terrorist attacks after this (there were many) by the same organisations changed everything.

Sajad Mir, a man claimed by the Pakistani government to be a fantasy cooked up by India, was found to be a real person, one of the planners of the Mumbai attacks. The efforts of international journalists (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-man-behind-mumbai) proved his role. In fact, he had even planned a terrorist attack in Australia, and his fellow conspirator, a French terrorist whose name I don’t recall right now revealed that he was well known in the Pakistani Army and freely went into Pakistani Army bases which civilians typically aren’t allowed to go into, let alone know their location or members. This was when he and his buddy were training Lashker-e-Taiba. Is it so surprising that this genocidal army wouldn’t do anything about known terrorists, then?

Pakistan’s army committed a genocide in living memory - the genocide of Bangladeshis. This is the state you’re defending, and the groups that have spawned from it, which provides cover to the worst scum if it serves their purposes.

Anyway, onto Mir. Mir was declared dead after it was found that he wasn’t so imaginary after all. Pakistan shifted the goalposts - he died long ago, we don’t have to hand him over to India. Then, magically in 2022, he was brought back from the dead and convicted. A French magistrate said that he was a member of the Pakistani Army. He was the son of an officer, after all. Why did Pakistan lie and protect such men? Why did Pakistan’s ISI destroy key evidence in the trial? Why did the state withhold evidence if it has nothing to do with terrorists?

Why are Lakhvi and Hafiz Saeed still chilling in Pakistan? They both have an Interpol red notice. Why is he roaming freely in the country and giving inflammatory speeches? Saeed said his party would be contesting elections in 2018. This is an anti-terrorist state? Yesterday, Masood Azhar said that his mosque and seminary were hit by the missile – why does he have a seminary and mosque to radicalise poor young men of Pakistan? Why does Pakistan take absolutely no action on terrorists except when said terrorists harm the army’s interests?

To claim that the Pakistani state/army (the state has no real power; no PM has served their full term in Pakistan) and the terror apparatus are somehow separate entities flies in the face of evidence.

This same government released Lakhvi in 2015 on bail, who was one of the founders of LeT. 7 years after the attacks. He was released, and is apparently given 3 five-year sentences. Why such leniency, and such convenient disappearance and reappearence?

Look up C. Christine Fair, and read her work about LeT. It wasn’t religiously motivated, it was against known terror bases. There is a list. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/operation-sindoor-full-list-of-terrorist-camps-in-pakistan-pojk-targeted-by-indian-strikes/article69547986.ece with details about who was trained there, which attacks were carried out from there and when. You are literally years behind on the information–2008 and subsequent investigations have revealed quite a lot about LeT’s activities there.

While the Pakistan army continues shelling across Jammu, targeting schools, houses and civilian infrastructure, killing more civilians than armymen, and as of now has targeted cities as well, but was thankfully foiled. One must condemn the war crimes of the Pakistani side as well, to be taken seriously by anyone in India who knows the situation on the ground.

They not only held Bin Laden in 2011, but brought back Sajad Mir from the dead in 2022. He was one of the key conspirators of the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Look up how Pakistan first denied he existed, then denied he was alive, and then finally brought him back from the dead after 14 years.

Markaz Taiba, Muridke was NOT a mosque. It is a very well known terror hideout, even among international journalists. It was used to train Ajmal Kasab and David Headley for the 2008 attacks, which he confessed to in 2008. Osama Bin Laden himself paid for its construction. It was founded in 1988 and Lakhvi himself frequented it. How utterly ignorant you people are. Do some more research. Most Indians remember Kasab's confession.

In this book I argue that Lashkar’s evolution is informed by two defining dualities: the first is its identity as a militant outfit and as a missionary organization committed to promoting its interpretation of Ahl-e-Hadith Islam

In 1984, Lakhvi broke away and formed a small Ahl-e-Hadith group of his own. A year later, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed and Zafar Iqbal, two teachers at the University of Engineering and Technology (Lahore) Pakistan, formed Jamaat-ul-Dawa [Organization for Preaching, or JuD]. This was a small missionary order primarily dedicated to preaching the tenets of Ahl-e-Hadith Islam as interpreted by its founders. Soon after, the two joined forces.

(Source-Storming the World: the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Tankel Stephen)

Born in 1987 in Faridkot, Pakistan, Kasab dropped out of school thirteen years later to work as a laborer in his hometown. Within a year he left for Lahore, where he again worked as laborer for nearly five years. After quarreling with his father, Kasab struck out on his own. He landed a job in Jhelum city, north of Lahore. Unhappy with his meager income, Kasab quit in November 2007 and moved to Rawalpindi with a colleague named Muzaffar. A month later Kasab came upon Lashkar members collecting animal hides in the name of Jamaat-ul-Dawa during Eid al-Adha. He and Muzaffar obtained Lashkar’s office address and showed up declaring their desire to wage violent jihad. After giving their names, addresses and other details they were told to return the following morning with extra clothes, whereupon the two received 200 rupees for the bus trip to ‘a place called Marqas Taiyyaaba, Muridke’ where ‘LeT is having their training camp.’ Upon arrival there the two were promptly enrolled in Lashkar’s Daura-e-Suffa training.

(Same source. The book was published in 2011. Daura-e-Suffa refers to religious training, according to the LeT's interpretation of the Hadiths and the Quran.)

The article you linked mentioned the seminary and classes. This is what it is.

Life after the ban was not as easy for any of Pakistan’s jihadi groups as it had been beforehand. Fundraising, recruitment and training were restricted to different degrees for different outfits, but none got off scot-free if only because these activities could no longer be carried out as overtly as hitherto. However, the Musharraf regime had no plans to dismantle all of Pakistan’s proxies. As part of what has become known as Pakistan’s ‘double game,’ militant outfits were categorized as ‘good jihadis’ that were covertly supported for continued use as proxies and ‘bad jihadis’ that were cracked down on more harshly. This was not a purely binomial division. Assessments and treatment existed on a spectrum, meaning some ‘good jihadis’ were treated better than others and some ‘bad jihadis’ cracked down on more harshly. Categorization was based on the threats that a group posed to the state and the utility it continued to offer.

ibid. Now look up 'good Taliban' and 'bad Taliban'. The Pakistani establishment still follows the same protocol for terrorists today; kill the ones that are harmful to its interests, or if pressured enough, US interests and let the ones that act as a useful proxy against India to operate freely. Look up Sajad Mir, and how Pakistan denied he existed for many years, then said he died long ago, until he was suddenly declared alive in 2022 and convicted. A French anti-terrorism expert, Jean-Louis Bruguière, in his Some Things that I Wasn't Able to Say has stated that the Pakistani army trained the militants in the LeT camps based on his interrogation of Sajad Mir's French companion, Willy Brigiditte.

Lashkar was the most reliable in Islamabad’s eyes and fared the best. To begin with, it benefited from stronger connections to Pakistan’s army, ISI and civil service than other groups. Several journalists pointed out that, in addition to having recruited retired army and ISI officers into its ranks, Lashkar members had family in the middle ranks of the army and various civilian security agencies. Thus, the group was better connected than any other militant out-fit.4 It also had no strong allegiance to the Taliban and therefore was viewed as less of a threat to the state. According to one former senior official in the Intelligence Bureau, the government ordered Lashkar not to side with the Taliban in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.When it complied, this reinforced the perception that it was an obedient and reliable proxy. Finally, Lashkar’s leadership shared Musharraf’s India-centric priorities and the group remained Pakistan’s most potent proxy. One Western diplomat stationed in Pakistan went so far as to suggest the Musharraf regime would have sacrificed the other outfits if necessary in order to protect Lashkar because of its utility against India.

ibid.

To quote my other comment on c/India:

During the brutal Mumbai attacks, Pakistan denied all charges of complicity. India did everything ‘right’ - it gave a fair trial to Kasab, shared evidence with the international community and urged Pakistan to crack down on terror camps in their country. But what did Pakistan do? It denied that Kasab was a Pakistani national, denied that they had any such camps, banned journalists from going to Kasab’s village. It took years of investigation and coordination with the intelligence agencies of other countries to prove that ISI officials (which worked with the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War) were complicit. David Headley (thanks America, you never fail to disappoint when creating terrorists) and Tahawuur Rana, masterminds of the attacks, provided the necessary clues.

Pre-26/11 India and Pakistan had the warmest relations they’d had in years. Pakistan’s denial, and subsequent investigation, other terrorist attacks after this (there were many) by the same organisations changed everything.

Sajad Mir, a man claimed by the Pakistani government to be a fantasy cooked up by India, was found to be a real person, one of the planners of the Mumbai attacks. The efforts of international journalists (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-man-behind-mumbai) proved his role. In fact, he had even planned a terrorist attack in Australia, and his fellow conspirator, a French terrorist whose name I don’t recall right now revealed that he was well known in the Pakistani Army and freely went into Pakistani Army bases which civilians typically aren’t allowed to go into, let alone know their location or members. This was when he and his buddy were training Lashker-e-Taiba. Is it so surprising that this genocidal army wouldn’t do anything about known terrorists, then?

Pakistan’s army committed a genocide in living memory - the genocide of Bangladeshis. This is the state you’re defending, and the groups that have spawned from it, which provides cover to the worst scum if it serves their purposes.

Anyway, onto Mir. Mir was declared dead after it was found that he wasn’t so imaginary after all. Pakistan shifted the goalposts - he died long ago, we don’t have to hand him over to India. Then, magically in 2022, he was brought back from the dead and convicted. A French magistrate said that he was a member of the Pakistani Army. He was the son of an officer, after all. Why did Pakistan lie and protect such men? Why did Pakistan’s ISI destroy key evidence in the trial? Why did the state withhold evidence if it has nothing to do with terrorists?

Why are Lakhvi and Hafiz Saeed still chilling in Pakistan? They both have an Interpol red notice. Why is he roaming freely in the country and giving inflammatory speeches? Saeed said his party would be contesting elections in 2018. This is an anti-terrorist state? Yesterday, Masood Azhar said that his mosque and seminary were hit by the missile – why does he have a seminary and mosque to radicalise poor young men of Pakistan? Why does Pakistan take absolutely no action on terrorists except when said terrorists harm the army’s interests?

To claim that the Pakistani state/army (the state has no real power; no PM has served their full term in Pakistan) and the terror apparatus are somehow separate entities flies in the face of evidence.

This same government released Lakhvi in 2015 on bail, who was one of the founders of LeT. 7 years after the attacks. He was released, and is apparently given 3 five-year sentences. Why such leniency, and such convenient disappearance and reappearence?

If you had been following the research after the 2008 Mumbai attacks, you wouldn't be saying this. Also, Pakistan directly targeted the Golden Temple, the most famous Gurudwara in India. Funny how you didn''t mention that. Honestly, read. Look up C. Christine Fair, and read her work about LeT. It wasn't religiously motivated, it was against known terror bases. There is a list. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/operation-sindoor-full-list-of-terrorist-camps-in-pakistan-pojk-targeted-by-indian-strikes/article69547986.ece with details about who was trained there, which attacks were carried out from there and when. You are literally years behind on the information--2008 and subsequent investigations have revealed quite a lot about LeT's activities there.

Also, the Pakistan Army just held a funeral for a UN designed terrorist there. At the innocent 'mosque.' While the Pakistan army continues shelling across Jammu, targeting schools, houses and civilian infrastructure, killing more civilians than armymen.

Yes, I was wrong. I hope your family is safe.

I get what you're trying to say, and I agree too, I am anti-war, but all the wars between India and Pakistan were actually provoked by Pakistan. The Kargil War happened when both were nuclear armed in 1999, and nothing happened then. I doubt if anything will happen now either, apart from people dying. 8 civilians from Jammu died in retaliatory cross border firing, hopefully, it de-escalates after this. There was a similar situation in 2019, and war didn't break out.

Opinion varies, as someone from a relatively liberal family, no one in my family is taking it seriously. Such a situation broke out even in 2019, though the people killed this time by the Pakistani side have been tourists, including 1 Nepali tourist and one Kashmiri. So people are kind of angry (rightfully). But yes, most people think it'll be border skirmishes, not full blown war.

The Kargil War of 1999 was fought between nuclear armed India and Pakistan too, and nothing much happened other than some 500+ deaths on our side and a quick victory. I sincerely doubt either side wants war. As stupid as Modi is, he isn't going to wage war just for votes. Communal riots are more effective, and more of his thing.

One key detail is that India didn't strike any Pakistani bases, just terrorist bases. Masood Azhar of Jaish e Mohammed confirmed that his mosque was targeted. (He expressed a disturbing amount of joy for the fact that his family was killed.)

Did you read what I wrote? Pakistan has covertly supported terrorism. Pakistan did not share intelligence with India during the Mumbai attack. Independent intelligence from other countries confirmed Pakistan's role in the attacks.

India did not target any Pakistani military sites. It claims to have targeted LeT and Jaish e Mohammed bases. Pakistan still shields many internationally recognised terrorists.

You're naive if you think Pakistan is 'governed'. It is a military masquerading as a government. Again, read. Maybe look up the Mumbai attacks and Pakistan's role in them. Look up how Hizbul Mujahideen foiled indigenous Kashmiri militant groups like the JKLF and ratted them out to the Indian army because they weren't loyal enough to Pakistan. It's an inter imperialist conflict. Class war doesn't play out on the country level. I don't support war, or warmongering.

No proof it was a false flag. This is nonsense, and worse, it is despicable, insensitive nonsense. Lashkar e Toiba is a Pakistani terrorist group. Ajmal Kasab (one of the terrorists in the 2008 Mumbai attacks) had a relative who fought in the Afghanistan as a Mujahideen, and he was trained in similar camps in Pakistan. Bin Laden was found near a Pakistani military academy. David Headley claimed the Pakistani intelligence agency was involved in the Mumbai attacks. The attack in Pahalgam was evidently done by Pakistan, as it doesn't fit the pattern of indigenous Kashmiri militants. Even in the height of militancy, tourists were not targeted as it alienated the business class and local Kashmiris reliant on tourism. This was an implicit agreement. What's more, Kashmiris came out in huge numbers condemning terrorism for the first time on the streets. You show your ignorance again.

India claims to have hit terrorist bases. Pakistani media has already started spreading fake news. It's best to wait it out as propaganda and emotionally charged lies meant to provoke both sides will start pouring in. So stop spreading lies.

Bit late to this thread but I know a few commands that might help if you're stuck:

manage-bde -off C: (or any other drive) This decrypts the volume and turns off bitlocker

manage-bde -lock/unlock

manage-bde -protectors -get C: (or any other drive) This displays your 48-digit key. I suggest you store it somewhere, just to be safe.

Get-BitlockerVolume reveals which of your partitions are encrypted with Bitlocker.

Disclaimer: I am not a terminal nerd, I just had similar problems years ago and went down the rabbit hole, used these commands and turned off bitlocker permanently. I don't use windows anymore, but when I did, it didn't cause any problems with bitlocker after this. If you're concerned about your un-encrypted hard drives, consider using Veracrypt (carefully!) or similar open source encryption software.

I was being flippant. I'm pretty sure the CDU will just move rightward.

Ok, now ban it. Liberals, this is your moment. Show us that you are capable of cracking down on fascists, even after you failed spectacularly with Israel.

It's not much but it's a step in the right direction.

They even tried to restrict VPN companies by passing a bill that forces them to keep logs. Proton was one of the companies that packed up and left. Good VPN companies don't have servers in India.

I did think of Nestle as well, and another one, Tata. They're infamous for stealing land belonging to indigenous people in India. In 2006, the state police of the Orissa government shot 12 people, including a child, in a crowd protesting state-sponsored land grabbing. https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/asa200012007en.pdf

The most iron-rich part of India, Bastar, is also the poorest, and with the most number of Maoist militias. This is no coincidence. Tribal people make up only 9% of the country’s population, but more than 40% of the land used to build 'development' projects belonged originally to them. The most mineral rich areas in India, and the world, are some of the poorest because the industries are not publicly owned.

To be honest, I can think of much, much worse. Union Carbide, Adani, Aveo, which was funding a drug epidemic in Nigeria, they're all bad. There's no good capitalist.