mycorrhiza they/them @ mycorrhiza @lemmy.ml

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blahaj admins being unable to act out of fear of loss of the community

that was me speculating, bridging the gap between my main points of information: 1) that I had seen trans hexbear users discussing chaser messages they had gotten, and complaining that there were too many chasers in 196, 2) that I had seen posts from you where it was obvious to me that you care and consider chasers to be a problem, and 3) that 196 was a lifeboat community and is larger than the rest of blahaj.

If you're happy with 196 how it is, then the three interpretations I see are 1) that hexbear users who complained of chasers were misjudging or exaggerating the extent of the problem, 2) that they have a lower tolerance for chaser behavior, or 3) that they have a lower threshold for what they deem to be chaser behavior — or some combination of the three.

either they don't believe what they are saying about safety, or they do believe it but were fine with that state of affairs before the 196 mods denied their request

Or it's not all the same people, or their opinions changed. But I also think emotions were running high. I remember posts where hexbears were pretty upset that users on blahaj had accused them of pretending to be queer. There are also a lot of comments like that here, but I think it hurts a lot more coming from other queer people. Overall, I don't think the situation brought the best out of anyone.

most hexbears are like that if you approach in good faith, instead of saying something like "just what I expect to hear from a putin-worshipping tankie fascist who supports genocide." Some hexbears are annoying right off the bat though, but I think the tense atmosphere just doesn't bring the best out of people and some of them get defensive or upset and cover it with abrasiveness.

The context is right there, right above my comment. Everyone reading this sentence just read the context seconds ago.

for past frustrations

they're not past frustrations. look around. In fact, look at yourself, with your "I already know what hexbears think and why without ever talking to them" dismissal. That is frustrating, right now in the present, because you don't know what you don't know. Hexbears are well-read and have detailed, serious takes, which they generally do not post outside their own instance because no one gives a shit and no one will read them. You actually can't just understand them at a glance based on vibes and some people you knew once. And it's obviously arrogant to think you can. And that arrogance is fucking frustrating, especially since you don't even realize you're being arrogant and you're bewildered that people react poorly to it.

1. Where does hexbear oppose freedom of religion? And do you really want freedom of nazi speech?
2. The individual rights hexbear opposes are landlording and bosses owning the means of production, not this weird shit you brought up in the rest of the bullet. I actually have no idea what you're talking about. Neither anarchists nor MLs want that.
3. Cuba is pretty functional despite being heavily sanctioned — they developed their own COVID vaccines — but you're talking about actual communes. Despite the name, when people talk about "communism" they don't usually mean actual communes.
4. "toeing the party line" — you guys literally do the same thing, shunning anyone who thinks like hexbear does.
5. I'm not an anarchist, but anarchists don't want the wild west. Go read what serious anarchists actually want.
6. Again, communist nations like Cuba are heavily sanctioned, that is why they are poor.

I think this comment is pretty illuminating, and I don't mean that in a bad way. A lot of you just fundamentally do not know what hexbears think or why, and you don't really share a common political language and set of concepts to talk in, and you end up filling in the gaps with assumptions.

you're fine with any level of bigotry

you are lying on purpose, why are you doing this?

I encourage people to actually read the thread. FaeDrifter has an axe to grind.

Here is one of the responses:

https://hexbear.net/comment/3843515

None of us support Trump, just as none of us support Putin. But there is a sort of overcompensation in reaction to naieve and simplistic liberal narratives that might make it seem like we do.

Leftists get frustrated with the worldview that imagines, to steal a phrase, that Trump is Voldemort and Biden is Harry Potter. Anti-capitalists oppose the Bourgeoisie and Trump and Biden are both in service to them. It isn’t even simply that they are both capitalists - they are both neoliberals, who enthusiastically pursue the goals of neoliberalism - the transfer of wealth and power from the working class to the bourgeoisie, the enforcement of Western imperialism on a global scale, the withering away of society through austerity and privatisation, etc.

Of course it’s fine to support the democrats with the aim of harm minimisation. But liberals are wilfully blind to the fact that the system itself is not ‘rotten’ but rather functioning as intended, and that the scale of change required to have any hope of addressing climate change, wealth inequality, the descent into fascism and so on, cannot come from within liberal ideology at all let alone from the democrat party. Trump is kind of funny too in the way that he infuriates liberals by openly unveiling reality. For example, no-one cared when Obama was putting children in concentration camps, because it was hidden away behind a bunch of shiny rhetoric about hope and change. But when Trump does the same thing and celebrates it, when he brings the racism and inhumanity of the US state into the light and declares fuck those kids, liberals are forced to see the true nature of their beloved country which their ideological fantasies would usually repress. The blatant hypocrisy of their rage is, from the perspective of cynical leftists, both amusing and bewildering.

it's not brigading when a post appears on their feed and they click on it, especially when the post is about them

196 is by far the main community on blåhaj, and their banner basically says "no hexbears."

Also, trans hexbear users gave examples where they were bothered by chasers in 196, and felt not enough mod action was taken to control chasers there. I'm sympathetic to Ada, blåhaj's admin, I think she really means well and I get that she might not want to rock the boat when the community in question is most of her site. But I don't think hexbear's reasons for defederating are that absurd.

I dismiss their views out of hand

I don't care what comes after this. I still read it, but I don't care. "You knew some people, therefore hexbear is those people."

they are fucking obnoxious

what do you say about the guy I linked to in the last comment? You don't think hexbear's obnoxiousness might be a reaction to years of talking to people like that? You don't think maybe at this point they expect it and that's why they're flippant?

not immediately look for reasons to take the least charitable interpretation of someone's point

look at how your own instance talks, this is absurdly hypocritical.

it's not performative when hexbear disagrees with you, that's just you assuming things again.

they'd rather post PPB and "liberals get the wall".

what do you want from them, a good faith response? when half the people they talk to are people like this guy? or people like you, who dismiss their views from a distance and respond with with superficial vibes-based criticisms while having little or no understanding of what they actually think or why?

imagine how awful it would be to spend hours in a long back and forth with someone like this trying to convince them that you have a nuanced perspective and justifications for it and you are not a stupid, monstrous, cult-like fanatic, all while they do not listen to you because they already know you are those things and therefore nothing you say is worth considering

you don't have a point. your point is that we're annoying and people don't like us.

you're making a lot of people hate socialism

That's not how it works. Your beliefs are your own. You either want workers to control production, or you want owners to control production. You decide that based on your own moral convictions and understanding of the world.

I will just say I think everyone involved in a project should be paid a fraction of the proceeds roughly in proportion to the work and sweat they contribute

Chile was coup'd by a faction in its own military with western backing, not actually invaded by the west. Chile could have prevented this by preemptively purging fascist officers in the military. This would have saved Chile but condemned it to being called fascist on lemmy.

hexbear users can't see this comment, so it falls on my sleep-deprived ass to point out that socialist nations essentially have two options: 1) ban all capitalism and be banned from trade in turn, like Cuba and the USSR, or 2) permit some measure of capitalism, give the west its profits, and use that as leverage to gain access to trade, like China and Vietnam. You either play ball or get strangled to death.

hexbear was unfederated for three years, are you saying they just sat around all that time pretending to be queer communists to each other with no audience? Would thousands of people really check in to a website daily or weekly for years just to do that?

Thanks for the response! I'm falling asleep myself and don't have much coherent to say in response lol but I enjoyed reading what you had to say. It has me even more interested in trying shrooms.