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I posted this article even though I nominally support what Israel is doing here. This war has a legitimate human cost and there's no reason to belive that reasonable people will never view that cost as too high.

I think the story painted here shows both the horrid cost on civilian life that these bombings have and the extensive efforts to avoid civilian casualties that the IDF takes.

Short of an Jeff Bezos takeover of Gaza to turn it into the world's biggest Amazon warehouse, I literally don't know what could possibly solve the situation. It's clear from the cheering crowds praising raped corpses that there's too much hatred to reasonably integrate Gaza into greater Israel. And it's clear from the massive terror the Muslim Brotherhood caused in Egypt, that they could never integrate into an Egyptian society . And is clear from the 4-6x Marshall Plan per person they've received in aid that aid to Gaza is a black hole that will never lead to a thriving society. After 2004 I remember this optimism and a belief that this Israel/Palestine thing was really back on pace for a 2 state solution. And now I just don't see it.

Citation needed.

At the rate Israel is going? Yes.

Dead men always make peace.

Israel needs to reset the value of hostages in the long run. They can't afford for hostage taking to be viable in the long run. And as long as they are successful militarily; there's no real reason for them to budge from their position.

Netanyahu rejecting the offer outright leads to more death and violence in the short and long term.

Just the short term really. The least deaths in the long term from a game theory perspective is to make the value of the hostages zero or even negative.

Israel's biggest mistake in the hostage back and forth was in the past giving up like 1000 fighters for some hostages.

Instead Israel should occupy like an additional acre of Palestine everytime a hostage/day is taken. Domestically the loss of territory seems to be the only thing that matters to Palestinians, in terms of political support. So they need to take that away.

The ceasefire would have happened in return for some of the hostages. Why would they give them more?

For some of the hostages. Not all of the hostages.

As for using it to tunnel, I would imagine it’s easier and simpler to just use a compressor powered by the tunnel power grid rather than deal with piping and water distribution down to the deep tunnel depths (>50m).

A compressor can be ran off a garden hose.

Some will.

Israeli left wing parties absolutely did pull out in the belief it would lead to peace. Their political coalition didn't have the support to do the same thing in the West Bank. They believed that if peace reigned on the strip, and violence continued in the West Bank it would justify a similar settlement eviction in the WB.

The current right wing coalition would have never approved the 2004 disengagement plan. And the violence that followed it is what brought them to power.

That army was just used offensively against Israel. It must be considered valid to fight it. Those fighters can choose to surrender.

Hey I'm in support of cutting off all stuff to Gaza until they conduct elections, but the UN doesn't agree. Until they are no longer the defacto recipient of all the aid and political power of the Strip; they are responsible for their subjects.

Honestly, they're dying. Israel estimates they've killed 1/4th of their Army. And based on the things that they're trying to smuggle in it (oxygen equipment) seems like they might have a significant amount of their forces stuck underground, caved in.

Edit: Don’t think I didn’t notice “Hamas/Palestine” . They are not the same.

Polling suggests that Palestinians support Hamas over Fatah 53% to 14% as of last year. If there were an election today, Hamas would take over the West Bank and retain control of Gaza.

I won’t have to imagine the ads with pictures of kids being pulled from the rubble in Gaza with graphics of Biden supporting a genocide, interspersed with audio of him speaking of beheaded babies and unreliable death counts. That’s going to happen.

In the primaries maybe, but not in the General.

Turning off the water at the start was horrible - it was purely motivated by vengeance and spite rather than any legitimate military or political objective

So you have an underground weapons cache that has just been collapsed by a bomb. You know roughly where to dig and how far down to dig to recover the weapons from your cache. However you have a problem. Even if you could use traditional heavy machinery (excavators, skid steer etc) without getting detected or could gather enough men with shovels to get there quick, you can't risk using metal implements to dig down there once you get close. One "ting" and you could trigger a chain of explosions that kills your men and collapses the still functional parts of the tunnel near it. Heck depending on the size of the cache and the design of the tunnel networks in that section, it might even set the next cache of weapons off (an actual problem. Hamas has been having).

So how do you dig? With pressurized water!. Add a common sump pump a hose and an outlet once you've got close and use the power if water to blast the dirt and rock away. Recover your ammunition safely to be used against the infidels!

Common access to water in sufficient pressure is a key building tool for tunnelling.

Can you imagine an ad with Biden's full throated support for Hamas/Palestine backed by pictures of the babies Hamas murdered in their cribs? Biden would get slaughtered for that.

I don’t think that’s the best solution here, that Hamas keeps attacking Israel, so I’m looking elsewhere.

In normal warfare. When a siege shows that it's has the ability to starve the populace if continued; it's the duty of the seiged to surrender before their population starts to starve.

There's an additional 56 Islamic nations. Combine with the Cold War nations on the Soviet side that still vote with them.

The Old World loves to hate Jews.

The West Bank isn't at war. The Gaza Strip is. That's the area Israel pulled out of and evicted (some at gunpoint) every Jewish settler; even those who had been there since before the 1948 partition plan. They've respected the 1967 borders there with no settlements as a way to prove that pulling back to those borders would lead to peace and not constant terrorism and warfare.

Since 2004 Israel has respected every inch of the 1967 borders in Gaza. The disengagement was designed to prove to the Israeli people that a pull back to the 1967 borders on their part would lead to peace.