mindbleach @ mindbleach @sh.itjust.works

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We did it because we prefer it that way.

And then the people whose evils you're screeching about monetized the shit out of it, specifically to hook children.

Again.

The industry is not "a handful of people on a forum," anymore. Elementary schools have anti-vaping policies. The thing you keep calling people monsters for talking about, actually fucking happened.

Nothing inside a video game should cost real money.

Ban the entire business model.

Nothing less will work.

If we allow this to continue, there will be nothing else.

This is entirely about kids. Nobody gives a shit about smokers who switched to vaping - even the US FDA almost endorsed vaping, because of how much better that is!

Why the fuck would you switch back to something that tastes even worse, costs a lot more, and physically hurts?

The only problem with vaping is that it got kids hooked on nicotine. Two generations barely acknowledged cigarettes. But suddenly you can get pack-a-day dosages that taste like birthday cake, and wow hey look at those schoolchildren blow fat clouds. Who could have seen this coming? Tobacco companies, that's who saw it coming, because they did it on purpose. Again. Same as when they flavored cigarettes. Stopping that helped us almost wipe out smoking.

Why would vaping have to lead to smoking for nicotine addiction to be bad?

Going from smoking to vaping is a massive improvement. Basically zero downsides.

Starting a nicotine addiction is still detrimental to your health.

What, like you can't buy vodka and orange juice at the same time?

These things are not comparable. They do not function the same way.

Harm reduction means preventing addiction. Flavored tobacco products have always been about getting people addicted early - because that's when it works. That's when this highly addictive drug creates dependency. Especially if taken in high doses with rapid absorption... which is downright pleasant, if it tastes like candy, instead of licking an ashtray.

Dude's treating people like inhuman scum for checks notes* preventing childhood addiction, but sure, the problem is calling out that behavior.

edit: Chickened out of a cliche "go outside" to lob the word deranged at the fact tobacco companies already did this once. Not at the frothing emotional-shortcut insults and dreams of a big boot.

Libel tends to be deliberate, yes. You're inventing motive and projecting it as hard as you can.

While calling for physical violence. If that's not just banter, please eat a ban.

Meanwhile: flavored cigarettes had this same damn argument, for the same damn reason. You know addiction is hell - why don't you care enough about stopping new addicts, to put up with nicotine that tastes like nicotine?

Yeah, maybe we should focus on preventing addiction in the first place.

Somehow.

Oh I'm sorry, should we treat your violent fantasies as an actionable threat?

Calling people big meanie doo-doo-heads makes a dry reading difficult.

Vaping is a generational tragedy for everyone except relics like you. If not for vapes then smoking would have basically just ended. Rate of new smokers were plummeting. Aaand then some tobacco subsidiaries got their hooks into kids of all ages.

They didn't do it by promising the taste of hand sanitizer and earwax.

And you're getting big mad that they want nicotine to taste like nicotine, rather than bubblegum. We're not even talking about banning nicotine juices. Just the flavors. Y'know, the same way you can still buy cigarettes; just not the kind that taste like mint. Vaping beats smoking by such a huge margin that essentially nobody is talking about banning vaping. Everyone knows it would be self-defeating. So why are you being such an edgelord about this strawman idea that everyone's gonna switch to cigarettes that cost more, taste worse, and physically hurt to use?

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That's nice, dear. Go play.

They're anti-tobacco.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Unless you think they're hypocrites for enjoying bacon.

I'm sadly quite familiar with the general sentiment, but even that rambling trainfucker didn't steal the quote outright.

In case you had any doubts who they're working for.

Relevant XKCD.

Because it worked so well for Amazon.

... and Amazon didn't invent its own proprietary graphics API that's only supported by Dolphin. Not even Fortnite gives a fuck about Metal.

There's this movie called Believe that is unironic Ebeneezer Scrooge apologism, and I think that's where the rich-asshole protagonist references "There's a difference between guys who sign the front of the check, and guys who sign the back." It might be the only time in history that's been treated like it favors the guys who sign the front.

This feels similar.

Clean and usable. It's not like Windows 3.1 or 68K-era Mac OS - or modern Windows - where everything's flat. Undifferentiated. Lacking visual hierarchy, despite necessary functional hierarchy. Windows 95 managed relief shading and instant on-click skeumorphism in sixteen colors.

Nowadays they're afraid to put text on buttons. The buttons don't even depict things! You get a field of abstract squiggles, all with the same color and weight.

And it's not like Windows 95 was built for experts. There's a "click Start" animation on first boot, it offers a "Windows tour" on every boot, and everything sprouts a tooltip if you hesitate. They treated users like distracted idiots - unlike today, where they treat you like a child.

Still signed by Noah, at a spry 413.