maegul @ maegul @hachyderm.io

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Some, maybe many, hope for the decentralised model of the fediverse to “take back the internet”. Each time a commercial platform “enshitifies“, there are then calls for the fediverse to replace it with a federated alternative, in part to take advantage of the moment of user agitation.

But, IMO, resources and financial support are a touchy topic in the fediverse. If such has lead to a mismatch between ambition and opportunity, and, capability, that may be worth addressing.

@weirdwriter @ajsadauskas @lemmyreader

Yes, forum platforms too (incl #nodebb of course).

I do get the (very vague) impression discourse is focusing on integrating well with masto to a good extent and so might not integrate too well with the other Reddit/forum platforms. If true, that might be a good enough reason to start with another base. OTOH, it’s a familiar platform to many devs so adapting it for stackoverflow like use could go well right?

@ajsadauskas @lemmyreader

Yep! It seems a good Threadiverse ecosystem could be on its way with lemmy etc, nodebb and discourse. Hooking a stack overflow alternative into that could make a lot of sense of kick starting it.

Though at some point UI differences could prove problematic(?)

@p03locke

Yep, yep and ... yep!

@Trainguyrom

Ha
AFAIU, two platforms other than mastodon (lemmy and discourse) have issues federating because at least one of them is trying federate well with mastodon (for obvious reasons). The mastodon quirk causing issues is, AFAIU, the way it kinda mangles articles and pages (long form formats in ActivityPub), which are appropriate for forums and link-aggregators like lemmy and discourse. So someone hints been done to work well with mastodon’s mangling, which hurts lemmy-discourse interop

@box464 @db0 @fediverse

I’d forgotten about them (firefish/Misskey plugins) actually (we probably saw each other over on firefish “back in the day”).

@jonnix @politics

Interesting. How could congress ever enforce this under 14A,s5?

@barney @politics

Yep that so makes sense to me now. Thanks! Seems like a petty bad decision then.

@barney @politics

Sorry, just read 14A, sec 5:

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

The decision seems pretty predictable to me then.

In fact it seems that this was never going anywhere and that the provisions are actually pretty weak. If an insurrectionist is popular enough to be a plausible presidential candidate, then they’re not unlikely to have significant support in congress.

@barney @politics

Were there not conversations at the time about how 14A would have been enforced? None of the issues around that are new and would have been obvious at the time.

@barney @politics

Who should enforce it then? Seems like exactly the sort of thing a court wouldn’t want to touch so as not to look too political, no?

Unless there’s no way around the fact that the 14th effectively creates a “constitutional crime” within federal courts’ jurisdiction that can be pardoned by a congress super majority, which would have been my intuitive reading.

@ajsadauskas @fuckcars

In pretty central … all of them except I think a gas station.

@skullgiver

The point though is that not all platforms had the problem, which means platform diversity would have lessened the significance.

@ada

Interesting! Cool to know that the actual number is higher than 7%.

In the end though how likely are Threads/Meta to not have hategroups?

Would it be a good idea to have a more accurate (and therefore higher) number on how many Threads defeds there are?

@poVoq

Perhaps a totally fair critique.

But for me the instance node in the Fedi binds many things together however much their governance aims to be democratic: username, platform, defed policies, moderation, user data (ie posts).

@strife @joeldebruijn

Yea this is the essence of the idea. Strip down the interop requirements as much as possible, relying on existing tech as much as possible, and allow software and norms to solve all the other problems, where, TBF, it seems that software is doing all the heavy lifting in the fediverse anyway, but also has to handle federation and the protocol.

@makeasnek

Yea for sure. I’m not enough of YouTuber to use an account and comment though.

Plus I get the feeling that the astrophysics community kinda bounced off of the fediverse. But definitely worth a try.

@Aatube @1984 @mindlight @maegul@lemmy.ml

The key idea is that you can have a single unified identity on all the platforms you want. Signing into multiple platforms doesn’t require a new account every time. And cross posting from one platform to another, under your single identity is easy from every platform.

Then leveraging those features (and an open API), a good unifying client will make that easy.

There must be a way of doing that without fatal security issues or decentralisation.

@Aatube @1984 @mindlight @maegul@lemmy.ml

Yea I don’t know the best approach to that. Either a separate server for managing IDs. Or you always a principal server that manages authentication for its platform and others within the trusted “circle”. And then, should the principal server fail, you can switch to another server as your principal. Hubzilla/Streams has some process like that AFAIK.

@joeldebruijn

Yep. Add a good aggregator client (hmmm, Google should make one) and you’re cooking.