lltnskyc @ lltnskyc @monero.town

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But what is disinformation in my comment?
What is it with lots of people here on lemmy that label everything that doesn't suit their worldview as misinformation/disinformation/propaganda?
That and name-calling does not change facts, you know, it just shows to other people that you can't argue your position..

What bridge?

I bet you blame the Palestinians for the bombing of Raffa.

Well, you've just lost your bet. I condemn both the genocide of Palestinians (done by the USA through Israel), and the genocide of Ukrainians (done again mostly by the USA through Ukrainian government. Damn, those guys really do like massacring people all around the globe :/, almost like they are the bad guys, hm...).

You would blame World War II on the Polish.

Nope, I don't, good thing you didn't make a bet on it, otherwise you'd lose two bets in a row.
But I do blame Poland for participating in massacring Ukrainians though. In fact, Poland is among the worst offenders! It helps "heroes" of Ukrainian border guard to catch those who try to escape Zelensky's meatgrinder, who then get sent straight to the meatgrinder.. For that reason, people mostly escape to Romania. Thankfully, Romania is not as sadistic as the rest of the democratic & free world.

Not like that!
Others (preferably Ukrainians, we don't consider them humans anyway, right?) should go and destroy Russia instead of me, I should be lying comfortably on my bed commenting how we should destroy Russia!
/s

Allowing Ukraine to defend itself is just the right thing to do.

Sure, supporting authoritarian government that forces desperate people trapped in Ukraine to die for their interest and political games is the right thing to do.

It is easy to support a genocide when it is not you and not your family that are getting massacred by Zelensky.

Hopefully Hungary will stay strong and continue to support Ukrainians, even if it is alone in doing so <3

I don't use it either, but wikipedia (and common knowledge) suggests they do like censoring everything https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Facebook

this is implemented in a way that forces all existing messaging services to implement this or shut down

This is not possible. Anybody can host a messaging service as a tor onion, and there is nothing they can do about it :)

The only way they can make it work is to basically only allow connections to whitelisted services (not even GFW does that).

Oh no, they don't censor every opinion I don't like, don't remove every post that does not align with my worldviews as disinformation, and don't forbid people to say bad words towards me while allowing me to do same towards them, what a horrible place!

I'm hearing this argument over and over again, yet for some reason no one can explain whether giving up land to an invader is always unacceptable, or are there some exceptions? Maybe it's how long ago the land was taken?
I suspect it's the latter, and this time period is greater than 10 years (because Crimea is still "rightfully Ukrainian", right?), but less than a few hundred years (because all the other invaded territories now "rightfully belong to the invader".
You do understand that almost every piece of land on this planet, that belongs to country A, was conquered from another country B (or from a tribe B if we go long enough into the history, or from family B if go even further, or from some other entity if we go even further)?
Should Poland invade Ukraine to retake Lviv?
Should Finland invade Russia to retake Karelia?
Should Mexico invade USA to retake California?
Should every country in Europe invade every other country in Europe because they all hold some territories that belonged to a different country some time back?

I'm used to it, thankfully downvotes don't change anything :)

There’s a legal obligation to provide defense lawyers to defendants and it obviously isnt done by holding lawyers at gunpoint.

Yes, it's covered by the first point of my post.

Force people to pay tax under threat of violence or find some other way to steal money.

Because you can only implement universal healthcare through violence/theft. Doctors need a motivation to work, right? So you either

• Force people to pay tax under threat of violence or find some other way to steal money.
• Force doctors to work under threat of violence.

Wow, my comment got removed because it is "misinformation / propaganda".
You surely guys are open to a civil discussion based on facts :)

Reddit felt like a massive echo chamber

Lemmy is a way bigger echo chamber, it's as "no matter who vote blue" as it gets tbh (with very few exceptions).

Where people aren’t pushed away for respectfully voicing their opinion. Is Lemmy the answer?

Nope, it's the opposite if anything.
I'm constantly getting attacked with ad hominem (my favourite one - getting called a fascist) here despite voicing opinions as respectfully as it gets, as well as providing sources for my claims whenever people ask.
Gotta have really thick skin if you are not left-leaning, but if you are - you will feel right at home :)

What?

crimes against Ukrainians

Surely this also applies to current USA administration turning Ukraine into prison that is almost impossible to escape and where men are treated worse then dogs?

Ah, so justification is - they do something bad, so we will do something bad as well (not towards them tho).
Got it