I'm glad you think most things OP said are valid, as that's me ;)
It is important to have healthy conversation about it - I don't think there's any reason to assume instance admins are acting in bad faith, even if I do think a wait and see approach is wrong and I certainly don't think they should be being called out by name (or instance name) or harassed in any way - they're providing a free of charge service after all. I donate to the person who admins the instance I'm on and I'd urge everyone to do the same.
But to extend your biohazard analogy - rather than containing a spill, wouldn't it be better to prevent the spill from being able to happen in the first place?
Noting wrong with hoping your software is successful - which to me, it is already - but when the cost outweighs the benefits, as it does in my opinion, that's a price too high.
OK, well, I'm not. The most I'll do is start an account elsewhere. There's not really a lot I can do about what other people say. All I can do is respond to comments that are in turn commenting on what I did say.
I see it more as a balance of probabilities thing. Given Meta do EEE things, given they openly want all your private data, given the social media they've created so far is considered harmful to lots of people and given all they really want is to turn a profit, are they more likely to try and EEE ActivityPub or leave it alone and co-exist peacefully?
Maybe the correct stance is for instance admins to turn the wait and see approach on its head. Given the above, defederate now then wait and see if Threads behaves itself. If it does, then federate.
You might need to re-read my post. I don't believe I said Threads was going to EEE Lemmy. I referred (repeatedly) to ActivityPub. So, it's a bit misleading to say I'm inciting a pitchfork mob.
You're right to say Mastodon and Lemmy don't operate seamlessly, but Mastodon users can already follow and post to Lemmy Communities. They see Communities as just another User. And the more fediverse tools develop, I'm sure this will only strengthen.
I'm also not saying 'corporations bad'. I'm saying 'corporations are unnecessary for the fediverse to exist and probably will do bad things'.
If they respect your unsubscribe request, for sure.
The fact is though, you could block all emails originating from, say, GMail. You could even pre-emptively do it. Those kind of tools don't really exist across the entirety of the Fediverse on a per-user basis - yet.
But what's the best way to prevent corporate spam? Don't use their services. Don't allow them to access your details.
Well, I'm not sure it's anything as nefarious as that. I don't think instance admins are hoping for a big payout from Zuck. BUt the fact that that idea exists as a possibility is both saddening and would be an impossibility with the fediverse as it is right now.
Glib reply aside (sorry), in my opinion, any commercially owned entity has one sole reason for its existence - profit. And in the name of pursuing that, they'll do literally anything to achieve it. I don't see that as a healthy thing for the fediverse.
I already know of one admin of a very large Mastodon instance who's already stated they're not going to defed and are adopting a 'wait and see' approach.
Just abstract it in your mind - Lemmy is software. Microsoft Word is software. Mastodon is software. Photoshop is software.
You can install copies of all of these pieces of software on different machines. Now just imagine if all the various copies (instances) of MS Word installed on peoples PC's around the world were able to talk to each other. And so were all the copies of Photoshop. And then further imagine that all the copies of Word were also able to talk to all the copies of Photoshop.
That's all the fediverse is. Multiple copies of the same software able to talk to each other and also able to talk to multiple copies of different software.
Have a look here, put a tick in the 'ActivityPub' protocol tickbox and you'll see the software that can (theoretically) talk to each other.
It really depends on your intention...if you intend to just interact with (for example) Mastodon users that appear occasionally in the Lemmy communities you're a part of then there's no need at all. Or if you want to communicate occasionally with a Mastodon (or any other type of software) user then you could use their Mastodon handle to do so - for example go to the Search box on your Lemmy instance and type in @Mastodon@mastodon.social (which is the 'official' Mastodon account on the mastodon.social server but it can be any handle) wait for a few seconds (or longer depending on the speed of the server) and the user account with the ability to private message them appears. There are currently some issues but it used to be possible to post directly to a Mastodon user's timeline from Lemmy. Mastodon users can post to Lemmy. It's worth remembering that Mastodon is a LOT more mature as a product than Lemmy, which is still in its infancy.
For now, at least, Id say if you're looking to spend a lot of time on each different software type then register an account at an instance of it. The integration will come, but the fediverse is young, Lemmy in particular is very young so it'll take time.
Lemmy is a piece of software. Lemmy software is a link aggregator - same as reddit.
So you’re signed up to a server that's installed an instance (a copy) of the Lemmy software. Other servers also run the Lemmy software making them also instances of Lemmy. As well as you being able to talk to users in Communities (think subreddits) on the lemmy.world server, you can talk to users in Communities on other Lemmy instances. For example, lemmy.ml, feddit.de etc etc
KBin is also link aggregator software, just like Lemmy and Reddit. Same things apply there, same software on multiple servers, all able to talk with each other.
Mastodon software is a microblogging service - same as Twitter (and Threads). Just like instances of Lemmy, instances of Mastodon can talk to each other. So a user on mastodon.world can talk to (for example) a user on kolektiva.social which is also running the Mastodon software.
There’s also Pixelfed (Instagram), PeerTube (YouTube), Friendica (Facebook), Plume (WordPress) and a large variety of others.
Now, as well as all these different types of software (Lemmy, Mastodon, KBin, PixelFed etc) being able to talk to other instances of the same software on other servers, because they are all underpinned by a single method of passing information called ActivityPub, each type of software can also talk to each other - so you as a Lemmy user can also see posts and comments from a user on a server running an instance of Mastodon (or Plume, or PixedlFed, or...you get the idea). All these things are loosely joined together making a joined (federated) universe - the fediverse.
I use Monero to pay for online services such as VPN, hosting, domains, VPS, E2EE cloud hosting, solely because I don't want to be on someone's list of customers and I don't want constant spam. Same reason I pay cash in stores and don't have loyalty cards. Might be very slightly more pricey that way but the reward for me is no marketing teams to deal with.
Leraje @ leraje @lemmy.world Posts 5Comments 165Joined 2 yr. ago
'fraid not. Still requires login :(