lennybird @ lennybird @lemmy.world

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Meanwhile Republican Media successfully branded LCD Center-Right corporate media like CNN as being leftist lol.

So the Overton Window extends from center-right to fascist.

Everything left of that is RaDiCAl CoMmUniSm.

I'll never understand why neither Harris nor at least Walz didn't fully pierce into the echo-chamber of the manosphere.

I thought this was half the point of picking Walz who could hold his own on guns and sports with Joe Rogan and all that shit.

The closest Harris got was... Going on on Howard Stern? Gen Z men aren't listening to Stern.

Edit: I know why. They miscalculated (and I did, too). They thought women alone would turn out in a proportion greater than the historically-low turnout of young men. More than that, millions just fell for the both sides disinfo ops and sat out. But that doesn't change the point that it was low risk / high reward to go on those outlets.

Ah, here comes the SA.

On a widespread scale, or say individually with someone you know?

Generally speaking, you need to treat it like a substance addiction. For these people, this alternate reality is an escapism; the reaction of anger to fear & disgust is actually a physical addiction; the neural pathways become entrenched and habituated to an extent that anything counter this quite literally takes more mental effort to trudge through — like going off the beaten path and into the jungle.

What this means is cutting off the source and putting them into rehab; in this case, rehab being you having their undivided attention for a couple weeks until you can break through. As you can see, the problem is that (1) You are competing with someone who has a cellphone in their hands 24/7 and you cannot compete with that, time-wise. (2) Even if you can convince this person to go out on a camping trip with you, it takes a certain tact and relationship to actually raise this without entirely burning the bridge and having them shut down.

People fall down this rabbit-hole most frequently due to self-loathing or trauma. It's why the likes of incels are such easy targets. Lonely, young men being told wrong advice get upset that said advice isn't working and they just get increasingly radicalized. It's just another example of Shock Doctrine as described by Naomi Klein. When people are broken down and at their most vulnerable, they are most susceptible to radical changes in personality.

It's another reason why men in their mid-life crisis also run through this. "It's the immigrant to blame for me being jobless; not me!"

My family across several generations shifted from being Republican to progressive Democrat. The circumstances for us was unique and I don't even know if we could've broken out in this day compared to 20-years-ago.

The other boring answer is good education, but that's a long-term investment that takes so long to yield results, and even that is being undermined at every turn. Healthy community; healthy idols can be anchors. They have for me, anyway.

You might be interested in the documentary, "The Brainwashing of My Dad." It ends on a somewhat positive note.

Great counterpoint, buddy ;)

I voted for Bernie (and later Hillary somewhat begrudgingly), but doesn't it piss you off though that Not Trump didn't work, though?

Like for a reasonable, ethical individual, that should 100% be enough.

So it speaks to the disinformation war going on and just how strongly Republicans control the national narrative. All of course further exacerbated by the internet, social media, and Citizens United.

Don't get me wrong, I'm aware Democrats need to embrace their own flavor of populism. Still, it pisses me off that Not Fascism isn't enough.

That in no way precludes one from being a tanky, but let's explore:

• As if their defense wasn't heavily reliant upon the US umbrella and budget that dwarfs their capability
• As if we didn't bail them the fuck out in WWII.
• As if this very fucking action by the EU isn't proof of that, itself.

God, I can't believe you actually got me defending our own military industrial complex. But hey, I really hope you prove me wrong for their sake.

lmao?

Shit tankies say.

It's simply a strategic move to cater to Trump's ego.

It's actually genius. Make Trump look good, tie US closer to Europe while unshackling from Russia.

Appealing to Trump's ego is the only way allies will survive. And if Trump ever leaves office, it's still good news if Dems get back in.

The actual logistical process of getting away from LNG is probably more monumental than is feasible in the near-term.

I want to see filibustering at every turn.

Jill Stein, Putin, and domestic right-wing astroturfers are clinking champagne glasses over this.

I watched that as well yesterday. Somber albeit pointed episode. Political theology nails it because we're entering a phase (see Michael Flynn going around promoting the Christian Nationalist movement) where GOP leadership is elevated to a religious faith. And we all know arguments of reason or ethics do not work on those whose belief set is forged on blind faith and loyalty.

It's probably best that we hope for the best and expect the worst. At this point, it seems the only way things will course-correct is when it all comes crashing down. And that won't be pretty for anyone.

Your argument — hiding behind a counter-factual impossible to prove — is an old one. Cap it off with a Post Hoc fallacy, why don't ya?

Educate yourself on the basic fallacies, and perhaps you'll gain the prerequisite critical-thinking skills to have a good faith discussion.

(But boy, Palestinians are going to be ever so grateful for the uncommitted vote for the next 4+ years, LOL)

Well said. I hesitate to say I've studied this but it's been a subject of passion of mine for some time now, and I've written long write-ups on how to, as you say exactly, inoculate people from mis/disinformation. However, once people lose their anchor to reality, it is extremely hard to get them back.

Are there ways out of our predicament? Maybe. And that's a big maybe. Our moves have to be perfect from hereon out but even so... We may be beyond the point of no return and now the whole thing may have to come crashing down.

It sadly makes sense that the abortion referendums backfired bigly. In midterms and off-years it was different because there was nobody at the top of the ticket to lead to strategic voting.

I am fucking astounded that there is still a disconnect even with high level Democrats who can't seem to grasp that much of America is living in a completely alternate reality because of the right-wing propaganda machine, exacerbated by foreign adversaries like Russia.

Lichtman's (one saving grace from this election I never have to hear about this charlatan) keys prove this because he never accounts for the disconnect between what we see versus those in the echo-chamber perceive.

The megaphone of disinformation and sowing of distrust of traditional media, in my view, was the single biggest reason for our loss.

Talk about lacking foresight.

Good luck with things ever getting better for Palestinians now.

Yep. Just write off Israel as a constant at this point; there are still myriad issues where a chasm separates an R or D: Ukraine, Climate Change, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights, etc.

Mind you, it disgusts me, too.

This is also why people need to vote blue no matter how blue your state is.

This gaslighting denial, absent of any actual substantive logic truly is laughable.