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Interesting. Have you also tried openSUSE Aeon(/Kalpa)? Though I assume you're a KDE user and thus waiting for Kalpa to become mature before a test ride.

Could you elaborate on what you didn't like about Aurora and Bazzite; especially about how that experience made you more appreciative of openSUSE?

Thank you in advance!

What distro do you use

I daily drive secureblue.

and why?

Long story short; I love me some security. Unfortunately, My device is far from ideal for running Qubes OS. From within the remaining options, secureblue comes out on top for me.

Options include:

• Installing them through brew; this is setup, enabled and configured correctly by default on uBlue projects like Aurora, Bazzite and Bluefin.
• Installing them within a container; be it though Toolbx or Distrobox. This is what Fedora Atomic initially intended (and probably still does).
• Some users got a lot of mileage from utilizing nix to this effect.
• If all else fails (or if you outright prefer it this way), you can always layer it through rpm-ostree.

the fact that Fedora is the only (at the least that I know of) distro that has proper SELinux implementation.

AFAIK, openSUSE Aeon(/Kalpa) does as well*.

Yup; at least to some extent.

I don't know why, but openSUSE has had difficulty garnering popularity overall (aside from Germany).

A possible explanation, which also ties in to Fedora, is how both are the open source variants to corporate distros; SEL and RHEL respectively.

Arch and Debian are more community-driven by comparison.

For Fedora specifically, people couldn't regard it as anything but a testing bed distro; especially if you see how back2back they were with adopting new technologies like PulseAudio, systemd, Wayland, GTK 3/4, PipeWire etc. To be fair, openSUSE was the first to default to Btrfs and auto-snapshotting with Snapper*. Fedora was also facing competition from industry darling CentOS; similar code base, but a lot more stable.

Thankfully, since a couple of years now, Fedora has recognized that it's not cool to expect your user base to be sadistic. And together with the (unfortunate) downfall of CentOS, Manjaro and Ubuntu - Fedora has amassed a very healthy user base. And with how quickly Bazzite is becoming the face of gaming Linux (at least until Valve releases SteamOS), I don't think it has even peaked yet.

Historically, (at least for hobbyists/enthusiasts) Fedora and openSUSE have been a lot less popular compared to Arch, Debian and their derivatives. While not necessarily representative, Boiling Steam's chart -in which ProtonDB's data is used- does indicate to this as well.

Just my 2 cents.

I had something similar going on in Fedora Silverblue. I didn't really want to fiddle with it at the moment, so I just uninstalled whatever I got from ProtonVPN and the update went smooth afterwards. I hope someone else can point you towards a better answer.

Quite the contrary, the commit log on Github looks pretty healthy.

On what did you base the following:

it has not been updated since a while.

You can still edit it. Please consider doing so 😅.

should I be looking at any other distros?

From what I can tell,

• containerization is appealing to you; almost all of them employ this to some degree, but some more than others. More on that later.
• your preference goes out to (closer to) stock experiences rather than opinionated ones

I take it that you'd rather stick to the (relatively-speaking) more popular options. Not that popularity is necessarily good, rather not used by anyone else is bad.

Then, the following are worth looking at as well:

• NixOS; it's quite different to all the others, perhaps we may call it obtuse by comparison. But, it has been going at it for the longest; heck, it's older than Ubuntu. And, in my humble opinion, is one of the main inspirations for the others. But, contrary to the likes of Fedora Atomic or Vanilla OS, it doesn't go all-in on OCI. Therefore, it might not be as smooth of a transition.
• Guix System; the answer to "What if we had FSF-compliant NixOS, but with actually good documentation?" Jokes aside, this is a cool and underrated distro.
• openSUSE Aeon; relatively new still, but perhaps already offers the most secure OOTB experience. However, from what I can tell, in terms of transition to OCI, it doesn't strive to be very revolutionary (as of yet). Fedora Atomic seems to be a relatively significant (and IMO exciting) departure from traditional Fedora. By contrast, openSUSE Aeon seems more like a _revolution with a (very) small r. Though, one may argue this is mostly due to maturity. Consider openSUSE Kalpa if you're feeling particularly adventurous.
• uBlue's base images; Aurora, Bazzite and Bluefin are built from these. These are vanilla images with only hardware enablement, codecs, other RPM Fusion goodies and more that anyone installing Fedora Atomic would want on their systems anyways.
• Create your own; See this link if you know how to write containerfiles. See this link if you prefer yaml (.yml to be more precise) instead. The previous links were more focused on Fedora Atomic, this link offers Vanilla OS' answer.

Other distros found on lists like this one didn't make the cut for various reasons; sometimes it's just because I haven't heard enough of it.

Do I need to shift my expectations of an immutable distro even more?

Uhmm..., I don't know exactly what your expectations are 😜.

FWIW, from what I gather, either (something based on) Fedora Atomic or Vanilla OS should be right up your alley.

Important elaboration. Much appreciated.

I'm mostly oblivious of what's required to run an ISP. But you mentioned servers yourself. Do you install Linux Mint on your servers?

Fair. Even if some may dismiss it as anecdotal (N=1), I do think it's valuable. Thank you.

with Mint when the next release you are more likely than not going to have to re-install

First time hearing this. Got anything to back that up?

Still getting the hang of Ubuntu, but I see a lot of comments on different posts in which a majority of them point to using Mint instead.

Ubuntu should be okay; it's not necessarily a bad pick. However, the community has been upset with some of its past decisions and (more recently) the implementation of its vision, i.e. their enforcement of Snaps. This has eventually led to our current situation in which it has become popular to hate on Ubuntu.

Would the best recommendation, be to switch to Mint from Ubuntu?

Personally, I've stopped recommending beginners to Ubuntu. This is primarily for how the above mentioned enforcement has lead to broken unintuitive interactions. However, if you've already started using it and are content with what you have, then the negative sentiment by itself shouldn't warrant a switch.

Though, granted, (I think) most Linux users have indulged in distro hopping; some have even made it their hobbies. So you shouldn't feel bad about switching either. Though I implore you to practice best practices while at it:

• Keep using your home base until you're certain of the switch.
• Don't nuke your home base to experience another distro. Make ample use of live USBs, VMs and dual booting instead.
• Try to understand the difference between the fundaments and the auxiliary when experiencing new distros; i.e., what is and isn't possible for you to import to your home base without outright switching.

i found it difficult to get a working guide for nvidia drivers

I am saddened to hear that. Did you try the guide found on RPM Fusion?

As another user said, opting for a derivative with built-in Nvidia drivers might be another option worth considering.

Thanks OP; now I need this 😜.

For the last year or so, I've been using Vimium and mouseless. For the latter, I'd probably use warpd or wl-kbptr instead if I could get them to work on Fedora Silverblue.

Best Distro

Needs dictate preferences. An objective assessment isn't possible even on an individual level, as circumstances change over time. Linux Mint serves as a common starting point, with many users eventually 'graduating' to other distributions. The opposite is also true; many eventually return to low-maintenance distros like Linux Mint, preferring something that 'just works'.

I’m very curious of which distro users loves the most that they have it on their daily hardware?

I daily drive secureblue.

Is there a specific android app you need?

Currently, there are already a couple I need beyond future-proofing.

https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/

Thanks for mentioning this! While I've had some experience with Waydroid in the past, this is completely new to me. Looking at it briefly, it seems to operate differently than Waydroid's full Android emulation approach. Instead, it works as a translation layer (like Wine), making it both more efficient and potentially better integrated with Linux. Is this a correct assessment?

Despite having researched Android on Linux solutions before, I hadn't come across this one. Typically, these discussions only mention Anbox or Waydroid.

Thank you! Much appreciated!