I always tell myself people will wake up when they realize how much better their lives get while ours get worse and worse, but even when I talk about their poverty alleviation, growing middle class, green energy initiatives etc. people just kind of blank and don't say much. The truth is already so far distant from what people are taught it's like they think I'm lying or being lied to.
Beat me to it...like until they lifted the lockdown (will of the people...you know, actual democracy) weren't the deaths in the tens of thousands or something? For a country more than 3x the size of the U.S.?? Fucking insane. I guess unless you measure success by corporate profits.
To me, Kremlin denials aside, it seems very obvious this is retaliation from Putin following the weird coup attempt earlier this summer. Personally I think I'd rather Wagner be one step closer to nationalization but I'm open to being wrong.
I think I might be wrong, but to disagree with others here I think we are already seeing that happening. They are already slowly pivoting towards more assertive behavior, sort of doing what they can get away with without incurring a full hot war from the Beast. Something like BRICS or the B&RI might be very different than sending weapons and tanks, but to me this is done knowing damn well that they are helping countries develop who will naturally turn towards socialism or, at the very least, anti imperialism, over time. I think they do a lot less than the Soviets and even capitalist Russia, but what they do do is very subtle and savvy and long-game focused.
Will they ever cross the line and ship weapons and tanks? Hard to say, but I could see both increasing Western hostilities forcing them to make that choice, or decreasing Western capabilities making that choice less risky.
I would say they have taken huge strides towards socialism in the Xi era alone. I do not find 2050 to be too outlandish, I mean I guess it depends how we qualify socialism.
But dedollarization is already happening! Countries preyed upon by the West are freeing themselves and choosing to have relations with non-Western powers instead! I think already there is a tangible decline of Western economic power.
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Almost like they skimmed a Vice article and now think they're genius crusaders going to help the poor, hapless, sort of stupid, pitiable, brainwashed Chinese people. They really think Chinese citizens are just mindless NPCs. Projection again. Sad!
It's very difficult to talk about this because, as you can see, we are not merely disagreeing on one event, we are portraying two wildly different and mutually exclusive narratives of a country of 1+ billion people (and at a certain point every single socialist country in human history). It is simply insufficient to talk only of T Square because of how linked such things as Xinjiang or Hong Kong are. A discussion of American color revolutions and similar attempts at sabotage could span hours.
So much contextual information is necessary to even begin to entertain this narrative, which to someone like you will be tantamount to entertaining Holocaust Denialism or similarly sickly things.
For example, do you know that well into the 90s of % of Chinese people trust the CPC at a federal level, and believe their country is a healthy democracy? As someone who has seen the CPC readily shift very fundamental policies to the whims of the Chinese people for generations, I am inclined to agree.
So, does the vast majority of Chinese people love the Communist Party because they are all held at gunpoint and fear being disappeared and harvested for organs or fed to dogs or whatever? Or do they love them because they genuinely have done a great job advocating for them and improving their livelihoods? This is where the narratives cannot gently coexist. We are talking about two radically different Chinas.
China has raised 800+ million people out of poverty. They are the only major country doing major green energy reforms. They arrest and even execute billionaires for crimes against the working class. They have the fastest growing middle class and international vacationing class in the world. All of this and the democratic poll are all reluctantly confirmed by hostile Western NGOs who struggle to find a way to take such obvious victories and spin them negatively...we have a joke here amongst us tankies, goes sort of like, "China cured cancer and distributed freely to all its citizens, but AT WHAT COST?"
We have truly been thoroughly lied to about socialist countries, by the greatest enemies of socialism to exist. China didn't praise Nazis and protect them from Nuremberg to hire them, USA did. China didn't destroy every people's movement of the 20th century they could, USA did. So why are we trusting the inheritors of the Nazi Empire on what is good or real socialism or not?
Chinese people weren't forced to "memory hole" the event, contrary to what we are taught here in the West, Chinese people know plenty of T Square.
For an introduction to the truth, TLDR: the "pro democracy" protests were formented by the CIA to purposefully sow division and stir unrest. Their goals were purposefully vague and ill defined. The majority of the casualties were policemen who were immolated by these CIA-funded upper middle class goons, policemen whom worked very hard to avoid violence (Asian police are not the same types of police we imagine here in the open-air prison of the West). All the "evidence" of there being a massacre falls apart under the slightest scrutiny: pictures supposedly showing scores of dead bodies on the pavement are almost entirely abandoned bicycles.
The famous "tank man" video is honestly the perfect encapsulation of the truth. You're telling me this despotic, murderous regime was killing hundreds of civilians but wouldn't squish one lone man holding up an entire column of tanks? I don't know if you're familiar with wartime behavior but an entity committed to slaughtering civilians doesn't withhold just because one man is being brave, it only illustrates their reluctance to commit violence. If you watch the whole video, he climbs on top of the tanks, bangs on the turret. A soldier comes out, they talk. Afterwards, the man gestures and some people cross the street.
The same thing happened with the "democratic ideals" of the Hong Kong rioters, who, again, were CIA-funded and who were far more violent towards the police than the police were to them.
"Color revolutions" such as these are a common tactic from the US playbook. Just as the US throughout history illustrates its mastery of deceit, muddying waters, and complete disregard for human life, China illustrates time and time again that it genuinely cares about the wellbeing of its citizens, even those affected by foreign brainwashing.
Xinjiang "genocide" (aka humane rehabilitation of American-fertilized fascists commended by the entire world outside of the West) is another perfect example of this.
I'm sorry but everything you've heard about China is a lie. The real dystopia has been here, all along.
Honestly the fact that under such extreme duress, literally fighting to not be exterminated, that the mortality rate barely got half as bad as it was on a normal jolly day under the Tsar, really speaks volumes.
Major cheers! I can't speak for everyone here but don't hesitste to ask for clarificatiom and hopefully someone who isn't too cranky will be able to explain anything and everything. Bless
Agreed, my usual methodology is to be frank but amicable. Sometimes killing with kindness makes the ugliest people show their worst, and it disarms other people and they appreciate it immensely.
However, if it is clear they have Stage 12 Liberal Reddit Anticommunist Brainpoisoning, I certainly won't downvote a comrade telling them to play the piano or face the wall.
I think in a perfect world everybody affected by systemic brain washing outside of their contril would be talked to with immense patience and kindess, but considering our limited lifetimes and resources, we have to write off some people as beyond the pale.
KiG V2 @ kig_v2 @lemmygrad.ml Posts 17Comments 251Joined 3 yr. ago
I lean this way myself now