kescusay @ kescusay @lemmy.world

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Okay, fair.

Yes, you are absolutely engaged in them, which is understandable as you don't want to shoulder the burden of understanding the role of people who voted like you (or didn't vote) in Trump's ascension.

Like I said: Trump.

Again, two-party system. Your implicit vote for Trump didn't count quite as much as an explicit one would, but you still put your weight behind him.

It'll make the christian evangelicals in his base happy. They want a dominant Israel so that Jesus will come back.

Anarchists. That explains it.

You voted for Trump.

You could have voted for Harris, worked hard to convince others to vote for Harris (who instead chose not to vote), and done everything else in your power to prevent Trump from coming into power. You didn't. So you voted for Trump. That's the reality of a two-party system.

So you voted for Trump.

They did. You just don't know about it because it was drowned out by the constant noise from the right about how Trump could fix it, and the constant noise from (Russia masquerading as) the left about how the only acceptable solution was completely stopping all support for Israel.

Do you know how to thread this particular needle? Cut off all arms to Israel (the completely unrealistic pretend-solution supposedly from the left) and you get opportunistic invasions and an entire region plunged into war. Give Netanyahu a blank check (as Trump will do) and you get an empowered and expansionist Israel that will entirely wipe out Palestinians and take over the entire territory... which will likely also lead to broader regional conflict.

Which option do you choose? Biden tried to choose neither. He tried diplomacy to get Netanyahu to back down and respect human rights, without cutting off Israel's defense. The fact that it didn't work - because Netanyahu is a corrupt madman - doesn't mean he didn't try.

That might even be a tough sell to this SCOTUS. It's going to be awfully hard to argue that people physically present in the United States aren't subject to its laws.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. It means good luck getting a passport or any other federal documentation with your actual gender on it. It means drugs and medical treatments that are approved at the federal level for gender transition won't be available anymore. It means if you live in a state that isn't friendly to trans people, you are going to suffer.

So it means trans people are fucked. How do you not know this?!?

And it's not like the issue with Palestine is better under Trump. We had the choice between a candidate who would at least try to put pressure on Netanyahu... and one who will happily do whatever is asked of him by extreme evangelical Christians who believe Israel needs to be dominant in the Middle East so Jesus will come back.

How the fuck does anyone conclude that the Democrat is bad in comparison to that?

My son. He's a transman. Trump declared him legally a woman yesterday.

And it isn't even actually ideologically pure, since the Republicans are 1000% worse on Israel and Palestine.

I'm sure your ideological purity is a great comfort to my son who has just been legally declared a woman.

Don't worry. According to Russians ideological purists, this outcome is better for my trans son than if Kamala Harris had won.

Now if you'll pardon me, I have to get back to working on moving my family out of this shit-hole country.

Bite me. I'm no fucking centrist. And maybe if you'd actually read my comment, you'd understand why trans issues are important enough for me to mention.

Edit: In light of this instant and predictable attack on my kids, I cordially invite anyone who is okay with Trump in office to "teach Democrats a lesson" to fuck themselves sideways with a pineapple.

If the electorate doesn’t know a party’s platform, that’s the party’s problem. It’s literally their job to scream it from the rooftops.

They did. Harris campaigned constantly, and contrary to the constant and incessant media narrative, she went into plenty of specifics.

It was all drowned out by Trump noise, and the media was 100% complicit.

And all I saw was democrats, like motherfucking Henry Cuellar, throwing the LGBTQ under the bus. Especially trans people.

Yes, Cuellar is an asshole, no argument there. But he was by no means the only Democrat on the campaign trail. Again, the media wouldn't fucking give Democrats the time of day, because the 24-hour Trump clown show got the ratings.

We also shouldn't dismiss the problem of sexism, some of it internalized. Back in 2008, I had the misfortune of meeting a woman who wasn't sure who to vote for. She wanted to vote for McCain at the time, but was hesitant because she didn't want a woman to be vice-president. (The fact that Sarah Palin was immensely unqualified didn't matter, but the fact she had a vagina did.) That attitude is still a lot more common than people who live in largely progressive areas realize.

See, this is where you're wrong. By every measure, the Democratic party platform was objectively better for humans living on planet Earth. Its problems were in degree (not being nearly progressive enough), not in focus (such as screaming incoherently about trans people).

But people didn't know, because of the aforementioned misinformation and disinformation. Seriously, did you know that the party platform contains an entire section on protecting LGBTQI+ people and rights? Most progressive voters who sat this one out never read it. Here, see for yourself.

But because the Democratic party wasn't progressive enough (in some people's eyes), they sat out the election, and someone who is a thousand times worse in every respect is going to be president tomorrow.

I take that personally. I have a trans son and a gay daughter, and their lives will be so much worse, starting tomorrow. And to protect them, I'm actively trying to figure out how to leave this country, because a lot of people didn't care enough to protect my kids.

In 1930's Germany, the Jewish people (and Gypsies, and - again - gay and trans people, and so on) who survived when that country descended into fascism are the ones who got the fuck out first. That is the reality that this purity bullshit has created for people like my kids.

While that's true, choosing to vote for Trump, a third-party, or not at all is like saying, "I don't like this ham sandwich and I don't like my sandwich choices... so I'm going to eat this dog-turds-and-radioactive-glass-shards sandwich instead!"

This country is fucked.

Edit: Rather than respond below to every comment, thought I'd clarify a few things here.

1. I never said Democrats didn't fuck up. They certainly did.
2. But - and this is important - we can't ignore the roles that racism, sexism, and above all misinformation played. To pretend there was none, and that vast swaths of the electorate didn't fall for it, would be disingenuous.

Democrats have moved to the right, and hurt themselves doing so. That is true. But they are still objectively superior to Republicans in every conceivable way. People who voted Republican voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces party because they were angry about Democrats being imperfect, and their faces will be eaten.

No problem. I'm actually just sorry it happened.

I did indeed see "GET DIGITAL ACCESS" and hit the ban hammer immediately because it looked like spam. I will unban your account, and you are welcome to re-post the story (with the correct headline).