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  • No. I am saying it is not solved and that articles like this are skirting the real problem, which is probably pesticides and herbicides.

    The decrease in bird populations of North America is new phenomenon and has only started some time since 1970. Notably, a lot of the songbirds affected are grassland species that dine on insects, seeds and berries, all of which are covered in or have ingested pesticides at farms. And is known, though not well documented, that insect populations are also plummeting but at a much steeper rate that songbirds.

  • Lol, Person points out logical flaws in only blaming cats and suggests the root problem is known problematic pesticides and herbicides that are doing things like creating the conditions for "colony collapse disorder" in bees.

    Also I'm up to date on my booster shots.

  • thats my point

    If house cats were actually some kind of living natural disaster, birds would have driven extinct millenia ago. To solely blame housecats for the mass extinction of songbirds that have existed beside them for hundreds to thousands of years without any appreciable population effect is insane.

    Also while DDT has its own host of issues regarding it building up in the food chain, my concern here is the post-DDT ones.

  • No it absolutely doesnt.

    It absolutely states that birds are considersbly more at risk, and that we dont know how by how much. Try reading more than the intro next time.

    I said that cats arent the problem, they're a symptom of it. That is a definition of a multifacted problem. That paper absolutely says the same thing.

    The reality is that you could keep every housecat inside and it would not stop the decline.

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  • Https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8640698/

    1. We didn't know or study the effects of pesticides in various wild birds. And it varies wildly between species, with chickens not being a good general case. Also that birds are considerably more affected by pesticides than mammals.
    2. Simple logic. Housecats do not have access to deep woods or exist in large populations outside of cities and suburbs in North America, yet the populations are declining there. This implies that they are not the cause of the decline.
    3. This logic is backed up by https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/bring-birds-back#:~:text=All%20told%2C%20the%20North%20American%20bird%20population%20is,declined%20by%2053%25%2C%20or%20another%20720%20million%20birds.

    LWhich points out that it is a multitude of factors and that grassland species(i.e. farmland) are the most affected, with wetland and forest species being less affected.

    1. Further logic is that the decline is a relatively new phenomenon. But housecats killing birds is not new. Therefore something else is behind the decline, and simply keeping cats inside will not fix the issue.
    1. One of the points of the books is that the laws were inherently flawed.
    2. Given that we're talking about a Google product, you might have more success asking if they're bound by the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition?
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