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Yep....

I'm wondering if the only answer to these people is: "Don't listen to this fool. If you do what they say they're gonna do, you'll end up getting Trump and Project 2025, as will your sister, wife, or mother if you're male, and you ALL will suffer!"

And you miss my point entirely. To be clear:

Democrats being mass murderers, or even supporting mass murder, is the old, tired bullshit I was calling out.

It's not true, and I don't know how much clearer I can make that to you and your ilk. Your choice to support third parties because you believe this bullshit will get people I care about far more than Israelis and Palestinians killed because the fucking Republicans will win and dial up everything you say is bad about Democrats to fucking 11 and not only kill the people you claim to care about but also fucking kill the people I care about in this world. I'm not the only one that thinks this, which is why you get so much pushback here. I hope the strong language and the note about my Black Bisexual Pagan Goth Wife all the BS artists pushing 'pick Third Party to check Genocidal JoeKamala' are putting into the line of fire will get through to you. This choice you're advocating here is gonna get my wife killed, and I'm not going to meekly stand by quietly while you push this nonsense!

If you actually read my 'long copypasta', you'd actually understand why you shouldn't vote for x, and why a vote for x is really a vote for y. It's really clearly laid out and easy to digest, and makes it clear how your withholding your vote because we didn't give you the concession of running D&D instead of GURPSabandoning Israel to the tender mercies of Iran and HAMAS with Russia waiting in the wings to show how America is anti-Semitic and filled with 'fascist Leftists' just ends up getting the CheerleaderRepublican elected and getting D&D night completely cancelledRepublicans into office and Israel given more guns to spark the End Times fight the Christofascists want to see happen.

This shit is important to a whole bunch of us. In particular, I'm worried about it because Christofascists particularly hate my Black Bisexual Goth Pagan wife. That's why I am calling this nonsense out. Maybe that'll help get you to see it from our side, now that you explained it from your side?

I'll just let the 7 downvotes you have do all the talking. And to make sure I'm sticking EXACTLY to Rule 3, I'll clarify that your choices are idiotic and stupid. If the Mods remove my comment over that, they're making idiotic choices as well, allowing you to talk crap to us while tying our hands behind our backs when we fight back against your crap.

Have a nice day!

If you live in a deep Red or deep Blue state, you definitely aren't responsible for Donald Trump's win in 2016, BUT we need to defeat Trump, and we need every vote we can get, everywhere we can get it, so Trump finds it hard to steal the election, because we know he will.

At least, if you live in California or Oklahoma, your nonsense vote won't give us Trump, but unless you are CERTAIN you can throw your vote away, I'd ask you to look at your wife, sister, and/or mother and ask yourself if you want them subjected to Project 2025. If you don't, and I hope you don't, save the protest votes for your city/county/state governments where they might actually accomplish something.

The Democrats give us nothing. We voters take.

Maine and Alaska use RCV now, and while Alaskan politicians are trying to ratfuck the votes (because Sarah Palin lost to a Democrat under FPTP), both states have seen people not get a Republican thanks to their vote for Third Parties on the Left, as long as they at least grudgingly mark the Dem ahead of the Rep on the RCV ballot.

Colorado's going to vote on this this November, too, which means I can actually vote Third Party without being ratfucked by that choice. Then I'll happily say 'Vote Green to hold Blue accountable, but make sure Blue shows up before Red so Red doesn't ratfuck all of us on the Left."

If you wonder about the constant use of ratfucking in my post, have a read and see what it means...

So, this old, tired shit again.

Democrats do not support Genocide, and the war in Gaza is not clear cut. First, who started it? Hamas started it. They and Netanyahu want this war. They want to grind each other down so the loser is dust and the winner is weakened so whoever else is out there (Iran for Israel, the USA for Hamas and their supporters) can come in and mop up and finish the job.

Suppose Harris announces tomorrow that she's going to leave Israel out to dry. What happens? Russia promptly moves in and offers Israel guns, missiles, bombs, and fuel, and promptly accuses the USA of supporting Genocide. They and their Green Party USA useful idiots (complete with Stein sharing a table with Putin) are already claiming that the USA is supporting Genocide, but they'd just shift it over to the Israelis, which would be a correct statement in that situation. We'd come out looking bad.

And if you think the Green's ratfucking America is bad, imagine how people of Jewish decent, especially moderates and nationalists, might respond to it. Considering they represent up to 5% of the voting populations, and have lots of friends, leaving Israel to hang out to dry would likely lose far more voters than cowtowing to the anti-"Genocide" faction would gain the Dems.

But calling Democrats mass-murderers is easy to do because people are dumb. All we can do is remind everyone that if you vote Green instead of Blue on Election Day, you're going to get Red on Inauguration Day, and Project 2025 up the Back Entrance.

In France, Left-leaning parties got together and decided which ones had the best chance in each 'district' of winning, and the other parties would drop out. They did this to ensure that the Le Pen led Fascist party didn't have a chance of winning. Sure, the aftermath hasn't been pretty, but no neo-Nazis running the country.

Here in the USA, we should be doing the same thing, except the Green Party isn't in this to win it. They're in it to throw bombs. They're in it to disrupt the 'evil Democrats'. And they have help. Jill Stein was photographed sitting down with Putin, who really benefits if we're ruled by Fascist Republicans. Republicans have been caught propping up the campaigns of alternative Leftist parties. And even Netanyahu is hoping Jill Stein pulls enough votes from Kamala Harris so that Donald Trump wins.

As always. This is a School SGA election, we're the 51 Nerds arguing amongst ourselves, and the 49 Jocks, including the Book Girl who is pretending to be one of us, are watching as we argue our way into handing the SGA to the Jocks, so they can cancel Book Club, Chess Club, D&D Night, and everything else we support, because we're too busy arguing with each other to realise that the only way we beat them is by delivering at least 49 votes to Nerd Boy on Election Day.

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This poster would have you believe that your vote cannot result in you getting the worst possible outcome. Allow me to make it clear that yes, you can screw yourself and those you care about if you make the wrong choice on your vote.

Let's take a class of High School students. The class is pretty evenly divided between Jocks (49) and Nerds (51), and there's an election for the SGA coming up. Looking at the numbers, it looks like the Nerds have a good chance of winning, by two votes, but let's say that this isn't as clear as the numbers show.

The candidates are pretty distasteful for a lot of students at the school. On the Nerds' side is a geeky boy, with square glasses, buck teeth, and a taste for pocket protectors. This kid is stereotypical Nerd, with the personality to match. He's vaguely unpalatable, being too much into D&D and video games, but he's also really damn smart, and his platform are things the Nerds would really like -- pushing the school to fund after-school activities like Book Swap, the D&D Club, Debate Team, Chess Club, and so on.

On the Jock's side is a pretty blonde cheerleader, the Homecoming Queen and heart-throb for many a boy in that school. But she's a massive jerk, with an entitlement streak a mile wide, known for throwing temper tantrum(p)s when she doesn't get her way, and a platform that includes taking all the money that would have gone to the nerdy after-school activities and putting it into prom and sports.

Of course, this stereotypical school of the 1980s will use the voting system used by the USA back in the 1980s, the classic voting system of First Past the Post, where all the votes are counted, and at the end, the one with the most votes wins.

In a 49 to 51 election, it's clear that the Nerds win by a squeaker, but that's not how elections work in the USA, and Cheerleader has a secret weapon. Most of her friends are of course fellow cheerleaders, dance team members, and athletes. But counted among her number is a bookish girl who is good with her studies, someone that were you to glance at her, you'd assume she's with the Nerds. But she and Cheerleader have known each other since they were toddlers, and while Bookish Girl is smart, she's also desperate for attention and acceptance. Bookish Girl is Cheerleader's key to victory.

Cheerleader and Bookish Girl sit down after school and go over strategy. It's clear that the numbers don't support Cheerleader. All 51 Nerds are pretty sweet on that whole "Nerd After School Activities" thing. But they aren't all as firmly dedicated to voting. For one thing, Nerd Boy is not well liked, with no social skills what-so-ever. He's the kind of guy that doesn't get a girl easily, and is awkward around girls and does things that can easily be styled as being demeaning and degrading to girls. Nerds are also notoriously flakey when it comes to making appointments when those appointments collide with what they would rather be doing.

Bookish Girl suggests three strategies to Cheerleader. They are:

• Have one of Cheerleader's groupies make an accusation against Nerd Boy that he inappropriately touched her. This should peel off two girls, who are known feminists.
• Set up a nerdy game on the day of the vote, drawing out a handful of gamers.
• Run Bookish Girl as a third party spoiler, who will say she stands for even more nerdy things so that she can peel off people who think Nerdy Boy can't or won't do the job.

Let's say Election Day, 3 gamers skip out on the vote, one of the feminists stay home on the accusations, and the other, plus two more Nerds, vote for Bookish Girl. The tally of votes comes out to:

• 49 people vote for Cheerleader.
• 44 people vote for the Nerd Boy.
• 4 people do not vote.
• 3 people vote for the Bookish Girl.

Remember what the rules were? The one with the most votes wins. Those 7 kids ended up denying themselves and the 44 other kids the Nerd Boy's platform. Hopefully they'll enjoy the prom they'll be excluded from and the constant bullying and teasing by the Jocks, because there will be no book club to go to, or D&D night to play in, or so on.

Really, all Cheerleader needed was for Bookish Girl to run, with a side dose of that other cheerleader's accusation (let's just call her Tara Reade...), and it's 49 to 48 to 3, which is STILL a win for Team Jock. And that's how narrow our elections are today.

You may think that Harris is a lockin to win, and you're convinced by someone like this poster that you can vote third party. The problem is you can't know how many Jocks and Nerds are in this school. Are there 55 Nerds and only 45 Jocks? Can you vote for the Bookish Girl over the Nerd Boy because Nerd Boy did something you don't agree with in Junior High, or because he dissed your favourite pop culture icon, or he's a GURPS player rather than a D&D player, or so on, and Bookish Girl is idealic? How will you feel when you wake up the next morning and come to school and see that Jocks won 45 to 44 to 11, and you and 10 other people are absolute dufuses who let the nerd activities go by the wayside?

And to make this REAL...how will you feel come the next morning if you wake up, see your State went to Trump, and thus gave Trump the 270 EVs he needed to win. Remember, Trump's Jock-favoured activities can be read about in Project 2025...

In conclusion, you shouldn't listen to dufuses like this poster. We saw what happened last time we let them poison our minds. Your vote CAN get you the absolute worst outcome, and the only people who want that to happen are accelerationists and Trump Plants. I'll leave it to you to determine what THIS poster is.

You can! But you know what you don't have the right to do? Come in here, unchallenged, and say you're going to vote Third Party. That's our freedom of speech telling you you're a ... ahem, censored for Rule 3 purposes and that nobody should listen to you because you will make things worse for everyone. Between the downvotes and the comments, you should have gotten that. But keep up with that martyr complex! We just need to make sure you're shouted down by Election Day.

MAGA types are the 'fall in line' type, so it's really hard to run candidates that appeal to them. Their Preacher and AM Shock Jock tells them 'vote for the Republican or the Devil wins and America dies' and they don't entertain anyone but the Republicans. It'd be wasted resources. It's far more effective to appeal to moderates, because the GOP has basically forsaken that entire group of voters to entertain their MAGA base, and we have over 200 Republicans on our side saying "we don't agree with the Dems on policy, but we're still voting for them because we aren't MAGAts." That's a more effective strategy, IMO, than trying to prop up Libertarians or Constitutionalists.

The way to deal with the 'backwater toothless bigots' is to turn out for November. Get your vote locked in, then do your damndest to get as many Left-Wingers to the polls as possible. I don't care where you are. Turn out and vote. That's how we fucking deal with them.

What you and others miss is that while you have a right to advocate for whatever political positions you wish, we have a right to call them out and point out that in the system we have, the Jill Steins spoil the election for Donald Trump, just like the Libertarian spoils Trump (though realistically, Libertarians can take votes from both Major Parties for different reasons). You do NOT have the right to push your agenda unchallenged.

I disagree with the civility rule because there are Republicans and Russians posing as far-Leftists to push enough left-leaning voters to vote third party so that Trump can steal enough states by hook or by crook to win it and subject all of us to Project 2025. The civility rule has us fighting with one hand behind our back against factions that see no problem with being uncivil to us and will use our rules to censor our speech about them.

Since I can't call people out on this sub, the only answer I have now is to point out every single time one of you people pop in with this 'nuh, we aren't spoiling it' is my example of how, yes, you are. So, here it is again.

This poster would have you believe that your vote cannot result in you getting the worst possible outcome. Allow me to make it clear that yes, you can screw yourself and those you care about if you make the wrong choice on your vote.

Let's take a class of High School students. The class is pretty evenly divided between Jocks (49) and Nerds (51), and there's an election for the SGA coming up. Looking at the numbers, it looks like the Nerds have a good chance of winning, by two votes, but let's say that this isn't as clear as the numbers show.

The candidates are pretty distasteful for a lot of students at the school. On the Nerds' side is a geeky boy, with square glasses, buck teeth, and a taste for pocket protectors. This kid is stereotypical Nerd, with the personality to match. He's vaguely unpalatable, being too much into D&D and video games, but he's also really damn smart, and his platform are things the Nerds would really like -- pushing the school to fund after-school activities like Book Swap, the D&D Club, Debate Team, Chess Club, and so on.

On the Jock's side is a pretty blonde cheerleader, the Homecoming Queen and heart-throb for many a boy in that school. But she's a massive jerk, with an entitlement streak a mile wide, known for throwing temper tantrum(p)s when she doesn't get her way, and a platform that includes taking all the money that would have gone to the nerdy after-school activities and putting it into prom and sports.

Of course, this stereotypical school of the 1980s will use the voting system used by the USA back in the 1980s, the classic voting system of First Past the Post, where all the votes are counted, and at the end, the one with the most votes wins.

In a 49 to 51 election, it's clear that the Nerds win by a squeaker, but that's not how elections work in the USA, and Cheerleader has a secret weapon. Most of her friends are of course fellow cheerleaders, dance team members, and athletes. But counted among her number is a bookish girl who is good with her studies, someone that were you to glance at her, you'd assume she's with the Nerds. But she and Cheerleader have known each other since they were toddlers, and while Bookish Girl is smart, she's also desperate for attention and acceptance. Bookish Girl is Cheerleader's key to victory.

Cheerleader and Bookish Girl sit down after school and go over strategy. It's clear that the numbers don't support Cheerleader. All 51 Nerds are pretty sweet on that whole "Nerd After School Activities" thing. But they aren't all as firmly dedicated to voting. For one thing, Nerd Boy is not well liked, with no social skills what-so-ever. He's the kind of guy that doesn't get a girl easily, and is awkward around girls and does things that can easily be styled as being demeaning and degrading to girls. Nerds are also notoriously flakey when it comes to making appointments when those appointments collide with what they would rather be doing.

Bookish Girl suggests three strategies to Cheerleader. They are:

• Have one of Cheerleader's groupies make an accusation against Nerd Boy that he inappropriately touched her. This should peel off two girls, who are known feminists.
• Set up a nerdy game on the day of the vote, drawing out a handful of gamers.
• Run Bookish Girl as a third party spoiler, who will say she stands for even more nerdy things so that she can peel off people who think Nerdy Boy can't or won't do the job.

Let's say Election Day, 3 gamers skip out on the vote, one of the feminists stay home on the accusations, and the other, plus two more Nerds, vote for Bookish Girl. The tally of votes comes out to:

• 49 people vote for Cheerleader.
• 44 people vote for the Nerd Boy.
• 4 people do not vote.
• 3 people vote for the Bookish Girl.

Remember what the rules were? The one with the most votes wins. Those 7 kids ended up denying themselves and the 44 other kids the Nerd Boy's platform. Hopefully they'll enjoy the prom they'll be excluded from and the constant bullying and teasing by the Jocks, because there will be no book club to go to, or D&D night to play in, or so on.

Really, all Cheerleader needed was for Bookish Girl to run, with a side dose of that other cheerleader's accusation (let's just call her Tara Reade...), and it's 49 to 48 to 3, which is STILL a win for Team Jock. And that's how narrow our elections are today.

You may think that Harris is a lockin to win, and you're convinced by someone like this poster that you can vote third party. The problem is you can't know how many Jocks and Nerds are in this school. Are there 55 Nerds and only 45 Jocks? Can you vote for the Bookish Girl over the Nerd Boy because Nerd Boy did something you don't agree with in Junior High, or because he dissed your favourite pop culture icon, or he's a GURPS player rather than a D&D player, or so on, and Bookish Girl is idealic? How will you feel when you wake up the next morning and come to school and see that Jocks won 45 to 44 to 11, and you and 10 other people are absolute dufuses who let the nerd activities go by the wayside?

And to make this REAL...how will you feel come the next morning if you wake up, see your State went to Trump, and thus gave Trump the 270 EVs he needed to win. Remember, Trump's Jock-favoured activities can be read about in Project 2025...

In conclusion, you shouldn't listen to dufuses like this poster. We saw what happened last time we let them poison our minds. Your vote CAN get you the absolute worst outcome, and the only people who want that to happen are accelerationists and Trump Plants. I'll leave it to you to determine what THIS poster is.

I second this.

You have the right to vote whoever you want in the election. Hell, I could say I am voting for Harris or Stein here, and do the exact opposite, and nobody would know the difference. You even have the right to try to convince others to change their votes. That's actually how a Democracy is supposed to work. But that right extends to everyone...including those of us who think Stein is a spoiler.

The Electoral College is a bit more advanced of a topic. You could say we've got 60 some-odd (accounting for Maine and Nebraska) separate classrooms each having their own election (using the same rules as the example above), with each election sending a certain number of voters for the winner to a school-wide election, where over half the total number of 'delegates' must vote for the winner or the school admin decides, but that example gets even more involved and easier to lose people with.

The bottom line is that every State is its own election. If voters do their job, and not get bogged down with what could go wrong, we might just get out of this with a serious win. It won't be a clean win, and we won't all get what we want, but at least, we'll not get Project 2025!

I see the brigade is out, but not able to overcome the fact that not counting the poster's own upvote, he's downvoted two to one.

No. There is no such thing as a 'Blue Fascist'. This is the kind of BS that I was calling out with the false accusations bit in my example. No. Democrats are not Fascist. They aren't perfect but here's the facts: Nobody is! But Team Trump sure the fuck is. And anyone trying to get you to vote third party in a bitterly divided country like the USA is merely trying to get you to throw away your votes so that their favourite side of the duopoly wins, or they're too damn stupid to recognise that that's all you can do voting third party.

I also notice that this poster didn't address the meat of the illustration above. Can't really, I guess!

Let's also point out that as long as there is FPTP, even if Ms. Bookish Girl were to win more than 3 votes, she'd STILL suffer the same effects. Let's say she's a D&D nerd through and through. A GURPS GM and his two players could sink her as surely as her voters would sink Nerd Boy. Quite literally, your only path in the current system is to take over one of the two major parties and slowly, meticulously, difficultly, and methodically bend that party to being what you want, and you might fail at that because hey, guess what, you don't always get what you want.

But if you let Trump and Project 2025 win, I promise you you'll get what you DON'T want. Don't let this jerk or idiot (because it must be one of the two) get you to vote for Project 2025 by voting third party.

This poster would have you believe that your vote cannot result in you getting the worst possible outcome. Allow me to make it clear that yes, you can screw yourself and those you care about if you make the wrong choice on your vote.

Let's take a class of High School students. The class is pretty evenly divided between Jocks (49) and Nerds (51), and there's an election for the SGA coming up. Looking at the numbers, it looks like the Nerds have a good chance of winning, by two votes, but let's say that this isn't as clear as the numbers show.

The candidates are pretty distasteful for a lot of students at the school. On the Nerds' side is a geeky boy, with square glasses, buck teeth, and a taste for pocket protectors. This kid is stereotypical Nerd, with the personality to match. He's vaguely unpalatable, being too much into D&D and video games, but he's also really damn smart, and his platform are things the Nerds would really like -- pushing the school to fund after-school activities like Book Swap, the D&D Club, Debate Team, Chess Club, and so on.

On the Jock's side is a pretty blonde cheerleader, the Homecoming Queen and heart-throb for many a boy in that school. But she's a massive jerk, with an entitlement streak a mile wide, known for throwing temper tantrum(p)s when she doesn't get her way, and a platform that includes taking all the money that would have gone to the nerdy after-school activities and putting it into prom and sports.

Of course, this stereotypical school of the 1980s will use the voting system used by the USA back in the 1980s, the classic voting system of First Past the Post, where all the votes are counted, and at the end, the one with the most votes wins.

In a 49 to 51 election, it's clear that the Nerds win by a squeaker, but that's not how elections work in the USA, and Cheerleader has a secret weapon. Most of her friends are of course fellow cheerleaders, dance team members, and athletes. But counted among her number is a bookish girl who is good with her studies, someone that were you to glance at her, you'd assume she's with the Nerds. But she and Cheerleader have known each other since they were toddlers, and while Bookish Girl is smart, she's also desperate for attention and acceptance. Bookish Girl is Cheerleader's key to victory.

Cheerleader and Bookish Girl sit down after school and go over strategy. It's clear that the numbers don't support Cheerleader. All 51 Nerds are pretty sweet on that whole "Nerd After School Activities" thing. But they aren't all as firmly dedicated to voting. For one thing, Nerd Boy is not well liked, with no social skills what-so-ever. He's the kind of guy that doesn't get a girl easily, and is awkward around girls and does things that can easily be styled as being demeaning and degrading to girls. Nerds are also notoriously flakey when it comes to making appointments when those appointments collide with what they would rather be doing.

Bookish Girl suggests three strategies to Cheerleader. They are:

• Have one of Cheerleader's groupies make an accusation against Nerd Boy that he inappropriately touched her. This should peel off two girls, who are known feminists.
• Set up a nerdy game on the day of the vote, drawing out a handful of gamers.
• Run Bookish Girl as a third party spoiler, who will say she stands for even more nerdy things so that she can peel off people who think Nerdy Boy can't or won't do the job.

Let's say Election Day, 3 gamers skip out on the vote, one of the feminists stay home on the accusations, and the other, plus two more Nerds, vote for Bookish Girl. The tally of votes comes out to:

• 49 people vote for Cheerleader.
• 44 people vote for the Nerd Boy.
• 4 people do not vote.
• 3 people vote for the Bookish Girl.

Remember what the rules were? The one with the most votes wins. Those 7 kids ended up denying themselves and the 44 other kids the Nerd Boy's platform. Hopefully they'll enjoy the prom they'll be excluded from and the constant bullying and teasing by the Jocks, because there will be no book club to go to, or D&D night to play in, or so on.

Really, all Cheerleader needed was for Bookish Girl to run, with a side dose of that other cheerleader's accusation (let's just call her Tara Reade...), and it's 49 to 48 to 3, which is STILL a win for Team Jock. And that's how narrow our elections are today.

You may think that Harris is a lockin to win, and you're convinced by someone like this poster that you can vote third party. The problem is you can't know how many Jocks and Nerds are in this school. Are there 55 Nerds and only 45 Jocks? Can you vote for the Bookish Girl over the Nerd Boy because Nerd Boy did something you don't agree with in Junior High, or because he dissed your favourite pop culture icon, or he's a GURPS player rather than a D&D player, or so on, and Bookish Girl is idealic? How will you feel when you wake up the next morning and come to school and see that Jocks won 45 to 44 to 11, and you and 10 other people are absolute dufuses who let the nerd activities go by the wayside?

And to make this REAL...how will you feel come the next morning if you wake up, see your State went to Trump, and thus gave Trump the 270 EVs he needed to win. Remember, Trump's Jock-favoured activities can be read about in Project 2025...

In conclusion, you shouldn't listen to dufuses like this poster. We saw what happened last time we let them poison our minds. Your vote CAN get you the absolute worst outcome, and the only people who want that to happen are accelerationists and Trump Plants. I'll leave it to you to determine what THIS poster is.

That's not the message I got at all. The message I got is that the Dems are going to continue what they did with Biden -- bringing manufacturing home so we get good jobs, take on the moneyed interests in housing so we have more housing and hopefully cheaper housing, get student loan programs in place that get the wealth extraction out and make it so that you can get college educated without a debt hanging over you for the rest of your life. And that the Dems stand against hatred of all kinds, including anti-minority hatred, anti-gay hatred, anti-trans hatred, and frankly, all other hatred.

Harris is going to appoint a single Republican to her administration? So what? Her administration is going to have 25 other people she's NOT said will be Republican, not to mention the various appointed positions that aren't the top 26 positions of the Cabinet. And maybe the Republican is in one of those lower positions, not on the cabinet. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, because I know there will be 26 not-just-Republicans-but-Qooqs-who-think-I-both-eat-and-fuck-babies if Trump wins.

America isn't very Progressive, so Dems not being progressive enough doesn't surprise me. I think we got some serious progressive ideas pushed the last admin, though. And if you want non-Progressive, well, look no further than the Republicans. Republicanism is where Progressive ideas go to die, and if Trump wins in November, I guarantee you you'll watch as your ideas are strangled in the crib.

Now that's some serious thirst right there.

That assumes this poster has a goal to stop the genocide. ;)