Jeremy [Iowa] @ jeremy_sylvis @midwest.social

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Rather, I reject the flawed nature of the metaphor and its poor fit. That's true - someone will take office... and you're not obligated to choose to be shot in either the leg or the head. You can, say, make no choice. You can choose, say, the hand.

We're all going to be shot through what some choose. Some will go for everyone getting headshot, some will go for everyone losing a leg... and roughly the same will decide such a choice is absurd and not make a choice at all. Some few will choose something less damaging entirely.

More like "I'm just not going to choose to be shot, thanks, you all have fun with that".

That requires active engagement in one's community beyond vote-shaming and whining on social media - you're not going to see much of this from either party.

Actual community involvement is hard. let's go joe, blue no matter who, if you don't vote blue you enable fascists etc. is easy and still lets them feel good about doing something... even if it's ultimately ineffective.

Citation: Needed.

Sure.

Do you think that's likely to prevent it from being fought, construed as arbitrary and capricious, and in front of Benitez?

This is the era of partisan dick swinging, after all.

I see Newsom is going for the "stricken down as unconstitutional" high score. I wonder how long it'll be until we see this one going to Benitez...

Immediately before ... spiking the federal reserve rate.

I'm looking forward to Amazon's upcoming light slap on the wrist and increased lobbying efforts.

Yeah who knows why he bothers with the abstraction when he can just take bribes directly from the gun lobby. Maybe he’s secretly bankrolled by a shady lobby group representing school children and abused partners.

I'm not sure I'd call it abstraction given it's literally his media business, but hey, whatever makes you feel better.

You’re a representative of the pro-gun community, using their talking points to push their agenda, making you a representative of them. If that label upsets you, it sounds like a problem you should take up with them.

Oh, I see - generalizations are okay when they're your generalizations.

I'm not sure how you interpret an actual focus on actual problem solving as a pro-gun agenda - a rational individual would reflect and consider that when basic problem solving is given a demeaning label, it might be indicative of a bad opinion on the matter. Let me know when you get to that point.

you even read your own link? They openly acknowledge that changes to gun need to be a key part of the solution since “curing everybody of violence forever” is 100 years away.

And you're confused by this... how?

Accessing someone’s past behaviour and restricting or denying them guns accordingly? Congratulations, you’ve invented red flag laws and background checks that actually check backgrounds, 25 years later than everyone else. Go forth and spread the word to your pro-gun brethren and try not to reflect on who could have been saved

Ah, so two things we already have, excellent

We can then proceed to the rest of the preventative measures and actually improve some lives, eh?

I've related an actual experience from my life. Frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not - that you cannot even fathom such a possibility speaks volumes.

Unfortunately, only one of us is serious about addressing the issue - you only care about the tool used.

Yep, we know. It’s the climate change denier strategy. However much evidence there is, demand even more before you’ll consider acting.

Arguably, we're still waiting for any evidence at all supporting the notion it's the firearms that are the root of the violence problem rather than merely the implement used.

The analog here would be that you seem to only care climate change can be caused by residential cars to the complete neglect of the fossil fuel contributions of the energy industry.

But who gives a shit if you’re ever convinced? We can just build something without your rubber stamp of approval and you can join the ranks of people who opposed things like food safety and DUI laws.

Feel free to find any support for the notion that I - or others here - have opposed such things.

Take all the time you need.

When you've accepted failure, consider adopting positions which may actually address root issues here rather than continuing to clutch your pearls most tightly about those darned firearms.

I've personally been stalked by, and unexpectedly face-to-face with, a mountain lion while out hunting with my dad.

You can pointlessly quibble about need, but the fact remains that my .357 was the only effective thing between it and I. I was lucky it didn't want a two-for.

Feel free to continue making such faulty assumptions - it highlights the extent to which you lack the empathy to try and understand other points of view and the imagination to contemplate things outside what you've considered.

There was no joke, unfortunately.

Probably not, since you’ll just deliberately miss the point to try and deflect.

Ah, I see. You can't explain the canyon-crossing leap between the two because of the other person - it's totally not because you're connecting nonsense.

Neat.

The pro-gun community routinely claims that gun laws are pointless because they’ll just be broken anyway, a philosophy which is deeply stupid and morally reprehensible when applied to absolutely anything else, but they seem to think they logic is sound when it comes to gun laws.

I'm still looking for the connection to your bizarre obsession with the abuse of children. Did you have one?

This, aside from your absurd reduction of the rejection of ineffective laws which provide no benefit regarding the stated problems yet provide an pointless restriction on otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Yes. Vastly more so than pro-gun promises to keep people safe from criminals and tyranny.

I see we're still deep in the realm of works cited: crack pipe. Fair enough.

And “team red” takes $16 million a year from the gun lobby and are adamant the solutions just coincidentally align with what’s most profitable.

Ah, I see we're forgetting about Bloomberg and his profiteering off of sensationalism of violence.

Of course you would be, because you’re looking for excuses to do nothing, especially excuses that might take decades to prove wrong.

Feel free to highlight any comment I've made where I suggest doing nothing.

Take all the time you need.

You want a half solution that doesn’t impact you, not an actual solution.

In point of fact, I quite explicitly argue for actual solutions.

I humped my m4 and m16a2 for 7 fucking years, get fucked with your ‘black rifle scary’ bullshit, sideways.

Cool. No one cares.

how are large capacity magazines in any way ‘controversial’ to you fuckwits? fewer rounds in the mag require more reloads bright eyes, it’s pretty fucking simple. you assholes want to justify bump stocks and rotary triggers, you’re not interested in safely keeping and using firearms, you’re interested in not having to give up anything to anyone when the issue is firearms. no compromise, no sanity, just bullshit games about nomenclature and freedumbs.

it’s always telling to me, too, the ones who’s minds get changed when their family members are shot. cause that’s what it takes with your fuckwits, you have neither the imagination or empathy so it literally requires one of your family getting shot at school to actually dig in that theere MAY BEEE A PROBLEM with 400 MILLION FIREARMS in a country of 330 million people.

Did you have a point anywhere in that rant and hyperbole?

so yeah, I got 'sumptions. I’m assuming you’re some bolo fuckmuppet who loves his AR more than he thinks kids should be able to go to school terrorized about getting shot.

Ah, very rational.

It might surprise you to learn I'm quite the proponent of actually addressing underlying issues rather than clutching pearls about sCaRy bLaCk RiFLes.

You'll note this is the second time I've provided such an analysis - it seems you didn't bother to actually check before violently abusing your keyboard.

I believe we're still waiting for you to show guns are somehow the problem.

Yes, those forums known as Reddit, Lemmy, etc... you're showing incredible works cited: crack pipe energy.