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Sorry, I was referring to BlendOS if that wasn't clear*.

However, if you did understand my intentions right away, then I'd regard it an oversimplification to 'equate' their respective experiences. Regardless, I do appreciate your input! Thank you.

It has been some time since I gave this a proper look. Do you use this yourself? If so, would you be so kind to share some of your experiences?

OP, another vote for this one.

It addresses your concerns in a wonderful way:

• Reliability; While it's far from unique in this regard, I'd argue that the uBlue distros are one of if not the most reliable desktop Linux experience that's currently out there. You know most of the drill already (read: built-in rollback functionality, clean base system). But, the uBlue project has some aces up on their sleeves that (to my knowledge) are pretty unique:
  • "Ninety (90) days of image archives allowing for flexible rollback options." The images are stored online, so they don't even take space on your device.
  • Shared community maintenance, i.e. even if upstream has a rare fuck-up, you can trust on uBlue's maintainers to deal with it without you even noticing. For a recent example of this, we got this.
• Access to the AUR; while Distrobox can be installed on any distro, uBlue projects come with perks that make the whole experience better than it's found elsewhere. From quadlets that have been properly setup from the get-go so that you don't have to (additionally) maintain those distrobox containers, to even minor things like including Boxbuddy OOTB to make the transition as easy as they come.
• Setup for Gaming; It goes without saying that Bazzite is excellent for gaming. It's gaming-ready OOTB and includes (almost^[1]) all the performance tweaks you'd wish.
• Setup and forget; I (almost^[2]) don't know any other distro that better embodies this than Bazzite (and its other uBlue-relatives).

All in all, I think Bazzite is definitely worth a look. Consider installing it and setup to your heart's content. If -at any time during or after that process- you come across an insurmountable^[3] issue caused by its atomic/cloud-native/'immutable' nature, then you can check it off your list and look elsewhere.

1. CachyOS is still superior in this regard by doing a better job at inching out (literally) every performance gain out there.
2. Perhaps Endless OS does an even better job at this, but that would be a bad recommendation for all the other reasons.
3. Before giving up, if you wouldn't have done it by then, at least consider contacting the community through their Discord server. They're very helpful. FWIW, Bazzite has pretty excellent documentation as well. (Even if it ain't as exhaustive as the even more impressive ArchWiki. Granted, it doesn't have to be as expansive.)

Literally said they don’t want immutable.

At best, they might have implied it. (But I don't think they do.) Here are the (relevant) snippets:

I honestly have even been looking into some of those immutable distros (that’s how much I don’t want to be fixing my system. I’m tired, I just want to use my system to get work done)

I was once told by some kind soul to use an immutable distro and setup “distrobox” on it if I wanted the AUR.

Seems cool, but it's unfortunate that the project doesn't seem healthy. Last commit was 5 months ago. Furthermore, its maintainer has even explicitly mentioned that the future of its project is uncertain. At least, we gotta give them credits for being transparent.

I see that they have a Nvidia image and they actually recommend if possible to stay away from Nvidia but does it work well with Nvidia or AMD GPUs?

Just to be clear, the Nvidia images support Nvidia GPUs well and the non-Nvidia images support AMD (and Intel) GPUs well*.

I was wondering if VanillaOS would be a good fit for my parents, which actually, it might be. They have very basic needs. All their apps are on Flathub.

Have you considered Endless OS? It's another atomic distro based on Debian. However, it's based on the Debian stable instead of Debian unstable. Futhermore, instead of making their own tools (like Vanilla OS has done), Endless OS relies on established ones instead (like libostree, which is also found on Fedora Atomic).

So, in the end, it sounds that is better to use Secureblue as it is

It ultimately depends on what you wish out of your system. For a general use system, I can't fathom myself preferring Bazzite over secureblue; simply for how secureblue's superior security comforts me. However, Bazzite would definitely be preferred on a HTPC/"game-console" device. Ultimately, it depends on what you wish out of your system. As we are talking on /c/privacy, secureblue is definitely the preferred system within that context.

FWIW, secureblue has also (very recently) been approved by Privacy Guides. They've yet to update their recommendations page, though. It will likely be mentioned alongside Kicksecure.

since it seems to support quite a lot of the things that Bazzite does. Am I following this right?

Close enough. Usability-wise, it's pretty smooth sailing after first setup. There are some minor things like how Waydroid works on Bazzite, but doesn't on secureblue (at least, it didn't when I tried it the last time). But, aside from those, it's definitely a very viable daily driver. Just ensure to do a thorough read of their FAQ and Articles.

Any particular friction with GPUs?

Not that I'm aware off. IIRC, both secureblue and Bazzite rely majorly on this for their hardware enablement. Hence, I don't think this should be significantly different between them.

I see that they have a Nvidia image and they actually recommend if possible to stay away from Nvidia but does it work well with Nvidia or AMD GPUs?

It should support both well, yes.

Can we maybe tinker it to get some of the things that we have in Bazzite?

You definitely can. Anything in particular that wish you to get over from Bazzite?

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification!

Was this a general conservative outlook/take on change?

Or are you hinting at something? If so, would you be so kind to elaborate?

Regarding Caps Lock, the user named "warmaster" only relayed their own experiences. FWIW, I can relate to their experience. Ever since my switch from Windows to Fedora Silverblue, I haven't experienced any difference in Caps Lock functionality; it's literally the same as I was used to on Windows. And thus the very same you* said you liked. My repertoire of distros ain't as impressive as some notorious distro-hoppers. However, I don't recall this to be different on Arch, EndeavourOS, Nobara or other images within the Fedora Atomic ecosystem.

Edit: added "you"

That got a laugh out of me. Thank you! Sleep well ;) !

I couldn't make sense of that. What's that?

'Fun' times 😂. You do you, fam 😉.

Obviously I can't force you. You do you. Consider not posting/commenting when you're drunk ;) .

I'm fine if you will just return to the part found below:

that doesn’t address my point that desktop pc computing for the majority of computers users is on the decline from my completely shitty anecdotal points most normal non tech people I know literally use their phones or tvs as computers.

So you attempt to draw attention to an observation. The observation being that: 30 (or so) years ago, interaction with a 'computer' happened mostly in the form of a desktop PC. This was also mostly reserved to those that were techie enough. Contrast that to current day; in which most of us interact with a 'computer' (even my (mostly) illiterate grandma), but the desktop PC has been replaced as a main avenue. Instead, their phones have become their go-to 'computers'.

This is an observation; therefore I can't disagree with the observation. But what's the point you want to make using this observation?

Consider going back to it when you're sober ;) .

I’m on my phone so idk how to do the quotes

Np, fam. FWIW, try on a new line (without quotes) the following:

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<text you wish to quote>

This should work.

Yes so what

I hope you'll notice this time how you're being dismissive :P .

that doesn’t address my point that desktop pc computing for the majority of computers users is on the decline from my completely shitty anecdotal points most normal non tech people I know literally use their phones or tvs as computers.

So you attempt to draw attention to an observation. The observation being that: 30 (or so) years ago, interaction with a 'computer' happened mostly in the form of a desktop PC. This was also mostly reserved to those that were techie enough. Contrast that to current day; in which most of us interact with a 'computer' (even my (mostly) illiterate grandma), but the desktop PC has been replaced as a main avenue. Instead, their phones have become their go-to 'computers'.

This is an observation; therefore I can't disagree with the observation. But what's the point you want to make using this observation?

Wow now who’s being dismissive?

If I do an honest attempt to explain why 1 + 1 = 2 and you don't get/see/understand it, then I'm just being sensible by moving on; especially, as you're drunk. I'm just betting that you can make sense of it when you're sober. If you can't in the morning, then please point out the dissonance and I'll try a second honest attempt.

I didn’t share any misinformation

Your very first comment contained misinformation. You probs forgot about it.

Regarding the part of the desktop PC going extinct except for specific use cases, -again- I never implied the contrary. You're now at the point that I started. If you never left your starting point, then consider this the result of miscommunication. I'd argue you were to blame, but I digress.

Thank you for the reply. However, as the length of your writing has increased, you also started to make less sense. If this is due to your drunk posting, then I understand (to a degree). But this makes it very hard for me to engage with ya. Therefore, I'll try to address your points to the best of my ability. But, note that I'm having a hard time 'keeping up' with ya.

when it comes to the average worker they have no choice over what distribution their company school or government uses

So, you're indulging in some mental gymnastics. I'll outline it very clearly to ya:

• You (simplified): PCs aren't used (a lot).
• Me (simplified): Sure, but there are still use cases. Can't be dismissive just because those don't apply to you.
• You (simplified): School/work/government doesn't allow freedom to choose distribution.

The thing is, you are NOT addressing my point. I can simply return it back (without adding much) by reiterating that OP (or whichever Linux-user) just happens to be someone that has a use case for a desktop PC and has the freedom to choose their distro.

the fact of the matter is most broke ass people I know don’t really touch pcs unless their in a specific consumer group(gamers). I’d go as far to say that most people would never touch a desktop pc again if they didn’t need to.

That's fine. I never argued the contrary, anyways. No idea why you felt the need to bring this up.

I’ve read your comment three times now and you didn’t refute anything I said.

Can't help ya out with that. I believe I was pretty clear. Consider to use an LLM to explain it to ya. Or return back to it in the morning.

I’m not being dismissive

You are. As you've acknowledged yourself earlier, your first comment wasn't helpful in the slightest. Instead you chose to 'hate' on OP for installing Linux.

I just think that this weid evangelism for replacing windows with Linux or whatever the fuck is straight out of the early 2000s when desktop pcs were the main interface people had with computing

It's fine if you feel that way. You're the first to bring up Linux proselytizing, though. Neither my intention (nor OPs) was anything like that. You chose to share misinformation on the internet and I called you out on it. Nothing more than that.