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@Dariusmiles2123 @iturnedintoanewt It's opt-in simply because you can choose not to message anyone with a @whatsapp.com address

@ninchuka So a corporate re-invention of the already standardized XMPP?

@CaptainAniki WhatsApp is unlikely to adopt Matrix, a very expensive protocol that does not scale well and which fundamental ideas blow up pretty badly: https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07

Whatever chat protocol they decide to implement will instantly have a 2B user boost. They use the IETF Internet Standard XMPP internally, so this would be the obvious choice.

@CaptainAniki @iturnedintoanewt It obsoletes Matrix.

@mishimaenjoyer @iturnedintoanewt What are you talking about? They are lobbying against this EU regulation spreading fears that it would 'break encryption' (which is bullshit btw, since federated E2EE can work fine as shown by XMPP/OMEMO. You just need to standardize.) If WhatsApp and the like wanted to federate they were always free to do so, no lobbying required.

@fosforus Yay! Time for more golfing.

@papalonian @possiblylinux127 They say the internet never forgets, but still... An overwhelming percentage of content on the internet will be lost to time, because websites die constantly and most things aren't archived. It's also yet to be seen if archive sites like archive.org survive or not.

@Stumblinbear I only worked on small projects so far, that's probably why I don't understand it. But a merge commit is like any other commit and the person pushing this commit has to make sure it works.

@Melpomene @SummerBreeze I also don't care about the conspiracy theories, but using a single-vendor solution with no interoperability like Signal is just stupid, sorry.

@Melpomene @SummerBreeze

It supports video calling and E2EE is enabled by default.

Maybe you will realize the need for vendor independent standards when Signal one day stops existing or fucks up and it becomes untrustworthy in your eyes. Walled gardens like Signal are can never be a good option. Why did you come to the Fediverse instead of using Reddit?

@Melpomene @SummerBreeze There is an XMPP app which provides this sign up experience too: https://quicksy.im . The other apps aren't really as complicated as you make them to be. Download app, choose a chat address, use partners address to chat. Also you can recommend your friends the app you are using yourself instead of just throwing them a list.
It pulled in a lot of people this way, people aren't as stupid as you think. XMPP is exactly as difficult to use as email.

@Melpomene @SummerBreeze Yes, and to talk to you I also would have to sign up with that particular provider since it is not interoperable with any other IM providers. This takes away the freedom to choose a provider, from anyone who wants to talk to you (in a secure way). That's why I made internet standard (XMPP) compliance is a hard requirement for any IM provider I use.

Btw I don't agree with the points in this video. But I think it's best if people delete apps like Signal for above reasons.

@Secret300 @SummerBreeze XMPP is the current IETF internet standard for instant messaging. Matrix is a startup with VC funding trying to achieve the same goals as the XMPP protocol, but it's not an internet standard and the underlying ideas of the protocol blow up pretty badly: https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07

It also makes Matrix a very heavy protocol, typically requiring 1-2 orders of magnitude more server resources than XMPP.

They have a lot of money for shiny Electron clients and marketing though.

@mojo @SummerBreeze Conversations is gratis on F-Droid. Standards compliance and interoperability is a lot more important than slightly more rounded message boxes in a walled-garden app, that doesn't give you the freedom to run our own server or choose your own providers.

@magiclobsterparty @alphacyberranger @unsaid0415 CI/CD won't prevent that. I wonder what it is for. Not using the CPU on my laptop for tests? And why would I want to commit before knowing the tests pass?

Do any wasps make honey?

No. Adult wasps drink nectar from flowers but don't turn it into honey. They feed their young by laying eggs inside prey.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/do-any-wasps-make-honey