imaqtpie @ imaqtpie @sh.itjust.works

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You've immensely profited off the death and suffering of others. Every single amenity of modern life that you possess came at a cost. Whatever nation-state you reside in waged countless wars to secure the resources you now enjoy. Everything that you eat and drink is provided to you courtesy of a chain of exploitative corporations that are doing catastrophic damage to the planet and human lives. Everything that you have ever done, including breathing, has exacerbated climate change. Every time you have paid your bills and taxes, you have continued to support this exploitative system. You are actively ruining this planet for untold future generations simply by continuing to selfishly remain alive and being too cowardly to rebel in any meaningful fashion against a system which you clearly understand to be violent and destructive. Shame on you.

Luckily, I don't advocate for murder under any circumstances, because I am not a monster.

anybody who tries to do anything about it perpetrates an extrajudicial contract killing is bad and wrong.

FTFY

Go ahead and do anything you want, nobody is stopping you. Protest, boycott, don't pay your bills, be my guest. But when you use a silenced handgun to shoot a man in the back who had not been convicted of any crimes, you are unequivocally bad and wrong.

The false dichotomy in this conversation is insane. What in your addled brain indicates to you that I was suggesting that CEOs should be able to ruin people's lives without repercussions? You don't need to be particularly intelligent to understand that anonymous masked gunmen assassins are a bad thing, it's common fucking sense.

Its the idea that “Oh, they are a human being with loved ones just like you”. When the reality is that he was a leech upon humanity who caused internally measured suffering and death. And his family benefited from that.

He literally was a human being with loved ones just like you and me. The fact that the vast majority of people seem incapable of perceiving that reality is absolutely horrifying.

A leech is a leech. A human being is a human being. If you refuse to recognize the difference, you're just as evil as anyone else. You don't know anything about him or his life, which is why it's so easy for you to dehumanize him. I wonder if you would feel the same if you had been there on the sidewalk and watched him gasping for air as he bled out. I wonder if you would feel the same if you had attended his funeral. I would hope not, but I'm honestly not sure anymore, my faith in basic human empathy and decency is somewhat shaken of late.

I'm not even saying that you need to feel bad. I'm just saying that people shouldn't be supporting senseless gun violence and extrajudicial murder, no matter who the victim is. It's like supporting genocide, or chemical weapons. This kind of shit isn't good for anyone, and if you don't understand that you're a fucking idiot.

murdering the CEOs of every company that puts evil into the system

How would that work, in practice? Who decides which companies are putting evil into the system? Who decides which CEOs to kill? Why not kill the board of directors and VPs as well? Why not kill the nurses and doctors who refuse to treat a patient unless they have health insurance? Why not kill the investors that provided the funds? Why not kill the politicians who made the laws? Why not kill the people who voted for those politicians?

Yeah, that'll definitely work.

The reality is that this is just yet another sign of immaturity and arrested development. I forget where I first heard it but… folk been watching WAY too much Steven Universe and similar warm and cozy shit. They think that by always taking the high road they are better people and the world will be a better place because if you do the right thing everyone else will.

I'm confused, didn't you just agree that killing him has no effect? If so, why are you seemingly condemning the people who are condemning the people who are celebrating the killing?

I can assure you that I have no illusions about the brutality of human existence, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't oppose senseless violence when I see it.

I honestly cannot believe how fucking stupid the reaction to this has been. I did see that reddit reacted similarly, so at least y'all are on par with the average redditor when it comes to intelligence. It relieves me to know that this is less an issue with Lemmy extremism and more an issue with basic reasoning skills.

How about you name one single human being, not even thousands, who has benefited from this contract killing? Whose life has been saved by "pulling this lever"? Explain yourself.

You're simping a contract killing. I'm just advocating for common decency in the immediate aftermath of a man being gunned down in cold blood.

Haha okay so you have no idea what he's done, but you're happy he is dead. Brilliant

That's a long winded way of saying you have no clue

What was the percentage of claim refusals? Considering they're one of the largest insurance companies.

How is the CEO of United Healthcare a king? If it was Trump I would understand but this literally changes nothing.

What did he do? Do you even know?

Again, you can't simp for a dead man. I'm just asking for people to not glorify his death like some kind of sick trophy. It's disgusting.

No... killing CEOs has not produced effective social change at any point. The thing about it is that they're just going to appoint someone else. It literally makes no difference for the system, they have plenty of volunteers for the job. There won't be any change in business, they'll just hire a security detail.

Not at all. That's also irrelevant. You're happy about something that is very wrong. I don't know what else to say.

What if he was targeted because he was going to do something that was good but unprofitable? Did you ever think about that?

How? What was his crime? Is an anonymous masked man really your judge juror and executioner? That system makes sense to you?

Over coddled??? He's dead lmao

To reduce a human being to their occupation? No, that's actually the opposite of the point.

What difference does it make? You think assassinating randos is going to help anything? How?