idoubledo @ idoubledo @lemmy.sdf.org

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World peace

Where's your outrage at 600K dead Syrians @PugJesus@kbin.social? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20total%20number,613%2C407%20as%20of%20March%202023.

Oh wait, can't blame Israel for it, nm.

Israel doesn’t have a right to defend itself from its occupied territories

1. Why do you think a sovereign state doesn't have a right to defend its citizens? Oh let me guess - you're a "from the river to the sea" kind of "humanitarian".
2. Gaza is not occupied since 2005, for the purpose of handing it over thousands of Israeli's were forcefully expelled from the region (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza#Description_of_the_plan), not a single Israeli remained in Gaza (unless you count hostages).

the idea that they have a right to defend themselves doesn’t apply any more than the Germans had any right to defend themselves from the Warsaw uprising

Yeah, compare labor camps built by the Nazis for the extermination of Jews, where Jews were forcefully transited into, to a piece of land that was claimed and given to the Palestinians. This comparison is absurd.

You're viewing this through your (probably) western eyes.

The population has been radicalized for years now (see https://youtu.be/W3jHj93JFMQ), and is being controlled by a terrorist organization with a mission of creating an Islamic State in the region, the Palestinian cause is just an excuse it uses.

Coming from outside, not knowing the full history of the region, and saying "ok kids, stop fighting and behave like an adult" when in reality one kid is a literal terrorist is (IMHO) naive.

Both Israel and the Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place, but the only way forward is to get rid of the terrorists who are not playing by any rules - their only wish is for the abolishment of Israel and its non-muslim citizens, with no regards for actual Palestinian lives.

You misquoted my comment, and still failed to convey your message.

What are you talking about exactly?

For those of you wandering what was in this deleted comment - it's videos taken by GoPro's carried by the Hamas terrorists as they raided Israeli towns and brutally murdered as much civilians as they could find, including women and children.

Apperantly, it's not OK by the mod to show (or even link to) evidence of actual genocide, only to make false claims of one. The mod didn't explained which rule is it that led to my comment being deleted.

If anyone's interested (I couldn't watch all of it, and what I was able to watch kept me up at night) - contact me directly and I'll send you the link for your viewing displeasure.

So it should have not given a safe route?

and then bombing them as they followed it

Hamas lies, in fact they actually shot at their fleeing people to deter them from leaving so they'll remain human shields, obviously blaming Israel.

Or bombing refugee camps

The refugee camps are being used by terrorists, ate you telling Israel how to achieve its goals? In fact, even after Israel designated humanitarian zones, Hamas started shooting from there.

Cutting off the fuel supply

Humanitarian needs are being taken care of, although I don't think any country would do the same in the same situation where the electricity and fuel are constantly being used against you. Can you imagine supplying fuel to a country that keeps throwing rockets on you for years? This situation is absurd.

bombing hospitals

Hamas lies which have already been proven so. The single time a hospital was hit was due to an Islamic Jihad rocket misfiring and landing in a hospital parking lot (supposedly killing 500 people according to the fastest body conters in the world, which were able to supply that body count around 5 minutes after that missile exploded).

With all it's intelligence might, Israel had dropped the ball, and it has been shown that no amount of intelligence can help deter a terrorist organization at the border.

If those schools are used for terrorist activities, the civilian population has evacuated, and the area designated as a war zone, it is fully entitled to complete the mission of eradicating Hamas, which is hurting the entire region, not just Israel.

The situation is shitty, but Israel was dragged forcefully into it, not by choice.

That's a false claim

Actually, those are Hamas claimed numbers. The IDF numbers claim more than 8,000 dead combatents, that's actually a more than reasonable civilian to combatant ratio comparing to recent and less recent conflicts.

I know that sounds a bit heartless, but given the population density in Gaza it's quite clear there's no genocide intent here.

I would even argue that the Israeli army did more to save Palestinian lives than Hamas, who put them in an impossible situation for the sake of Jihad.

Hamas shouldn't have governed Gaza, but the other option had to be Fatah and "Israel" had to be a blood thirsty nation for all of it's existence. Hamas was acting as a charity; making the situation better for Gazans by building hospitals, schools, and mosques. While Fatah was showing off its corruption, and Hamas didn't even win by that much: Hamas: 44.45% | Fatah: 41.43 %

Israel left Gaza in 2005, one year later Hamas took over and killed its political opponents, this was followed by an unprovoked daily barrages of missiles towards civilian towns. I don't know where your claim of Hamas was acting out of charity comes from, and obviously the schools mosques and other charitable activity was all a front for their terrorist activities.

What do you think should have been the answer to that problem? I think cutting off weapons supply routes is a reasonable course of action. Regarding water, communication and electricity independence - those problems could have been at least partially solved with the billions in aid money that were instead used for terror infrastructure under civilian homes.

Gaza was supposed to be an example of how a Palestinian state could eventually look like, but they f***ed up, badly.

"Israel" shouldn't have existed, and should cease to exist

"From the river to the sea" style? Your true colors are showing

All-Palestine. Looks like a call to me

You didn't actually read the link you sent, did you? this initiative was a failure, with no real takers from the Arab states. Jordan basically ignored it by annexing the West bank immediately, and Egypt would rather use Gaza to generate more problems for the new Israeli state than confront it directly after the defeat of 1948 (it annexed it later stating its incompetence).

So you're accusing Israel of doing everything it can in light of a terrorist organization holding 136 hostages as of now, which has dug all of it's military facilities underneath civilian buildings and infrastructure to not upset the international community?

What is it that you expect Israel to do? Trust the terrorists that have shown by action and by verbal intent they will keep on doing their genocidal Jihadist quest?

Keep down-voting, logic can't seem to get through to you - if there was actual genocidal intent by Israel there's no chance there's no chance there were only 20 thousand or so dead.

These figures are probably over-hyped by the Hamas "health ministry", which hold a Guinness world record for the fastest body counting by the way.

Proof of genocide, and not the Hamas kind of proof

Wow, look at the IDF, the most incompetent genocidal army.

What do you think is happening exactly? Are the trained soldiers getting orders to kill as much people as possible, having access to many thousands of tons in munitions, advanced air force and weaponry systems, with aid from the US and failing miserably at their job?

That's a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote, also, there's no genocide being done today. On October 7th however...

All of you assholes down voting my comment, tell me how stating facts deserves your down votes.

You are trying to rationalize by picking parts of the article that fit your (probably) western brain. The truth is the Palestinian population has been radicalized for some time now by their education system and their media https://youtu.be/W3jHj93JFMQ

I suggest you read the actual questions of the poll and the results instead of trying on some reporter interpretation: https://pcpsr.org/en/node/961

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html