It's different you see
Our conservative right wing media was mostly funded by our Kremlin-aligned government for most of the last decade, and of course they did. A Russian influence agent is running a Rwanda style hate radio/tv fundamentalist catholic empire here as well for that very reason. The neo-con/"liberal" media are western funded and mostly busy with trying to get their guys into power in a classic bi-partisan manner. But what does that change for Ukrainian politics? Ukrainians are supported by most of the nation in spite of political divides, even the fascist nationalists had to claim they are supporting refugees not to fall out of favor.
And yet the best the crowd of you could master is replaying cheap propaganda straight of RT and freaking out when its questioned or any scrutiny is applied.
Yeah forgot to add your a Navy seal sniper. Love the tales of you exploits against one of the most fucked up and advanced APT's, tell us more. Greets from Warsaw Hackerspace scriptie wannabe.
Tell me, why would >>Russian citizens<< stay in Donbas under this constant bombardment if they could anytime move say 50km and be out of range of anything Ukraine had untill 2-3 years ago? They heroically die for motherlands propaganda machine or their country not only wouldent protect nor would allow them to move?
People in Gaza figured out if the Israeli genocidal state is bombing them it makes sense to run. But there's not much territory there to hide. Russia on the other hand does seem to have... a bit more to get out of range why not offer it at least to the willing? Why no satellite evidence, especially compared to how Bakhmut or Mauriopol looked after a few months of Russian operations? You ever attempt to reality check what you believe, even if its with the best intentions?
OK, fast search; US propaganda site with a good selection of satellite photos. Show me something remotly of this scale from any Kremlin or whichever you want sources for Donbas city.
Oh yeah, give me a few more of this comrade, your praxis is so in line with the party.
Fucking western leftists. Single guy with a gun achived more for class war in few days then you shits over last 50 years. How does that feel?
You forgot Soviet Russia (as in pre-WW2). And the fact Putin actually reinforced his claims with some 400 year old territorial claim.
But from our perspective if the people oppressing us speak the same language, and have a capital in the same city over 200 years thats a sign something might be up with what they believe in under whatever facade stands there.
There's litterally nothing you could do to lower my opinion of western leftiests anymore, I come into these discussions knowing this is the top level of an argument you could master. Fucking imperialist scum.
Mate there's a daily stream of bombed out housing blocks, supermarkets, hospitals and markets. Just do a fast search, or check r/Ukraine if you need to.
Pull up any random picture of Donbas and Bakhmut right now and tell me if you spot a difference.
Actually Poland and Ukraine had a much clearer motive, the only other piplines cross there. Also here you have Russian generals take on the issue: https://video.echelon.pl/videos/watch/a4c80ebc-8f70-40c8-85a4-51bc794a8487
Major Western media outlets were
Dont care
Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug.
Last ive seen most likely Ukrainians operating out of Poland unbotherd by Polish services, as its a shared strategic objective for both countries. BTW you do know that Nordstream2 was turned off months earlier by Russia to blackmail Germany?
The people who were fanatically chanting
The what? Its start overstreached but finishes so absurd I wont even attempt any logic.
Death to AmeriKKKa
This I could support. Also death to Russia and every other imperialism (incl European and Chinese).
Im not western, and live with a place with over a million Ukrainian refugees, with whom I work. The fuck you talking about?
Nah, you can finish yours.
No, form an ex Soviet satellite state. Been Ukraine a dozen times - typical eastern European shithole, worse off than my place tho. Been two or three times to Russia and that's a whole different story... Had a gun held to my head by FSB (while they were stealing our camera), was offered to be shot on the internal border by the soldiers another time. Stayed at Vladikavkaz and Moscow and do appreciate the warm cyberpunk-postapocalyptic vibe. Meet the most broken and ethically corrupt people Ive seen in quite a few years of travels (and I've been living for most of the last 15 years with Bealarusians and Russians who escaped that). Altogether a lovely place, but would prefer it doesn't visit my country again, its shit enough as it is.
And you? Been there, or do you only gaggle RT and believe what the TV told you?
edit: had to correct mobile-typed gibberish.
PBS? Ive no idea of their reporting over last two years and honestly neither care nor believe you do.
Have you seen pictures of Bakhmut after half a year of battle? How was anything still standing in Donbas after supposably 10 years of bombardment? This is such a deeply absurd propaganda point, how could anyone fall for that?
Nah, some of us just simply were to Russia, or come from communities that have dealt with their imperialism since a century or two...
Your brain is fully cooked by nationalist ideology and the desire to live in a conspiracy thriller movie
Posters IRL name is Dimitry, doesn't sound like your typical native KKKanadian.
lol, yeaaah, sure you are. Now go play with the other kids.