It's different you see
Just after Kremlin stops funding nazis in my country, and most of Europe. Russia can stop the war anytime, it just needs to go back to it's borders, how hard can that be? Cuz if it's meant to stop a possible war with NATO that's clearly not going according to plan and at they are still mostly fighting NATO tech from the 80's operated by silly Ukrainians who had a few months of NATO training?
The more entangled your nation gets in Ukraine, the more likely war will spread to you
See, this type of russian propaganda fear-mongering doesent work on Polish people, because one - we have lived under Russian occupation or threat of invasion for the last 200 years, and two - we know that unless it stops in Ukraine the war will come to us soon after. Oh and three; dying heroically is the basis of national ethos here, if you took a few minutes to skim the history of the region about every generation Poles would have a suicidal uprising against the occupiers, well knowing it will fail.
Also in about a year Poland itself, without the rest of NATO, will have more main battle tanks and rocket artillery than Russia. There was a time when we were afraid as a society, but Ukraine clearly showed we can challenge Russian imperialism and increasingly likely - win.
tl;dr come at us bro
Cheers, learned a new word. Love the western well educated leftists come to explain the world to us stupid Slavs. Thanks!
Or you missed clear evidence, admissions and so on of Russia sponsoring Le Pen, AFD, Austrian or US fascists? Like, this stuff is public, there's a ton of sources. Proving the case for their infiltration of the PiS party would be harder, since it's investigative jurno books in Polish mostly.
Oh, ok, then clearly, I'm hiding my deep hatred for the other group of Slavs then the one I belong to, but not just the eastern ones, as I do seem to be living with Belorussians, and working with Ukrainians, it's only the ones supporting this one particular imperialist state. Just a simple racist, and I only let it slip by asking you people to prove anything of the bullshit you're spilling here like the mad fucked up sect you and your mates here are clearly. You got me.
Nah, I'd prefer that Russia doesn't invade my region again. ~150 years of occupation was enough for us. Same goes for our neighboring countries.
Found them!
Oh no, sorry, that's Russias work few kilometers north. So what about any evidence? You guys are just a cult aren't you? You don't even have anything to use as a proof other than a lie you've heard so many times you believed it?
The only part of Russia Poland neighbors is a military base enclave. And your "everyone" is your sect that will attack any division from your firmly held beliefs particularly one asking for evidence as showcased here over and over.
Oh and the alignment meant was mostly in authoritarian control over media, judiciary, level of corruption, blocking any public hearings of new laws, supercharging the parliamentary process to stifle opposition or any discussion of new law, unprecedented (since the old regime collapse) usage of surveillance against opposition, usage of far right paramilitary groups against mass feminist protests and so on. You know policies more popular in Moscow than anywhere else.
Might be the reason why Kremlin supports far-right parties all over Europe and in US, and you people are willful enablers of that.
Or what you gonna cry?
Here, have some context. You guys cant stand the fact, that someone might be anti-imperialist; anti-US but also anti-Russian imperialism? Is it that hard to comprehend?
Sorry, your right. I must stand corrected; by the time Polish underground went V2 shopping Soviets were not best friends with Nazis anymore.
Ive no idea what tankie conspiracy your referencing right now, im not that much into this lore.
Mate, I got a pretty big bookshelf full of Russian authors and could name more Russian bands that I listen to regularly then you heard of most likely. Miss me with the russiophobia bullshit. You even know any actual Russians? Ever asked them about their country?
Oh no just dont report me to the authorities, please!
lold. Fucken misserable bootlickers. Why cant you just come up with clear visual evidence? Come on, 10 years of destruction and genocide over artillery, that has to leave a massive mark like you know the sort of these images of Marinka:
As destroyed by Russia. So if this stuff documented and possible to show is not genocide of Ukrainians, but there was a genocide of... russian-speaking Ukrainians in one particular area - whers the proof?
Id mostly associate that with hobos as in crusty punks from US, but generally meant a rambling drunk. Feel free to strawman whatever you want ofc.
So where are the pics of the 10 year of arty barrage over Donbas? Have fun finding them.
Maybe you better re-read what you wrote, and what the actual question was. Have fun, I'm off.
Nah, I'm just pointing out it's a deeply corrupt, deeply violent authoritarian state. Been to China, been to some "3rd world" countries, and my own was a bloody neo-lib laboratory on the verge of collapse for most of my youth years and it's still all very different from Russia. Ukraine is very much an effect of destabilization efforts, that I could easily agree. But Russia? It had a system that it's leaders run to the ground themselves, a system that starved the "breadbasket" of Europe, and that went bankrupt despite having every possible resource earth could give. In the process it also destroyed the humanity of it's loyal subjects and corrupted the rest of forced them to run. Maybe it's just me, but it would seem to be the theme of any Russian counter-culture text and song over the lat 40 years as well, have a song, or another one. And now it has a government that reignites old nationalist and threatens to either invade or nuclear annihilate my country about every month (in voices of state figures, not some randos).
Fan fact in calling me a nazi in defense of Russia (apart from the fact I'm a well known antifa organiser); a family member was in the military intelligence (of the underground "Home Army") over WW2. He took part in some wild missions, like obtaining V2 rocket and delivering it to allies (as the Soviets were still cooperating with Nazis, would have be closer...). The guy went through Warsaw Uprising, the biggest antifascist uprising of WW2 (and arguably the most mindless suicide attack on nazis at a country level scale). But he survived both that and the concentration camp afterwards. And than he barely survived half a year of torture in soviet run prison. He did so only, as they never figured out his rank, he'd be shot as all other officers were. Never recovered from what they did to him tho. Wasn't the gestapo, wasn't plain fighting in a guerilla warfare against the nazis for over 5 years, it was the commissars that got him. Impressively that's the type of "anti-nazism" you favor, still.
If only there was a term for believing everyone that doesn't share your exact vision of the world is an enemy to be dehumanized and destroyed...
So anyway - fuck you, and enjoy the rest of the evening in your own shit. I'm off for a walk in a lovely snow covered hills.
Pic of the mass effects of the bombardment of Donbas city please.
To a certain degree. Did Ukr fire shots into Donbas? I'd be surprised if it didn't. Was it a genocidal constant barrage that Rus propaganda made you believe it was? There would be clear evidence of that, and you people have none and go into vatnik screeching anyone asks for it. And if it was.. again why wouldn't the Russian state just relocate these people?
I don't know if you get it but the brain-dead mantra about supposed shelling sounds like a joke to everyone outside you bubble, so much it doesn't make sense.
BTW please refrain from attempting to insult me. For one - it only makes you look like you can't hold an argument, and two I've no respect for you as a person at the moment anyway, so it's as touching as a drunk hobos mumblings and a waste of everyone's time.
You're claiming 10 years of bombardment. That should somehow show, no?
What was your original point again? Ukr massive brutal arty fires that leave no trace, they fact that... they did not pay pensions to people in territories occupied by Russia? Or the bullshit about Russian being illegal, which it is not?
Oh no, I think it was your argument that the death of two shitheads at the hands of other nationalist shitheads justifies this war, and daily civilian death from Rus arty. Sure, sounds like any reasonable argument from me could help here...
Told you, I'm not into your sect's lore, you have to drop a link or I've no idea what you're talking about. And still if there were thousands of rounds, it should be very clearly visible wouldn't it? Why cant any of you produce a single image that would showcase it like the one above?