halyk.the.red @ halykthered @lemmy.ml

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What is the math you're referring to? If you wouldn't mind re-explaing your point? Full disclosure, I responded to the last comment while very drunk and I don't recall the crux of the discussion. However, passing the cost of the raises onto the consumer is still greed in my opinion. Also wasn't this thread originally about tipping? How'd we get to automakers? Do we have to tip factory workers now? I haven't bought a car in a while.

I disagree, the math you mentioned that "never works" can work, if put into practice. The greedy bourgeoisie could absolutely stand to lose a few bucks in profit to give that money to the bottom line. Sure, they miss out on another yacht, but their bottom line workers get to have a decent standard of living. What is the math that never works? Please explain in detail.

I don't think this is about servers. I think it's about tipping in places that used to not require tipping. Like I went to a concert and bought a t-shirt and the kiosk asked me if I'd like to tip.

If memory serves, it was Bezos, but it doesn't really matter who at the end of the day.

A while back, I was reading about one of these billionaires talking about how they'd fly people to Mars, then they could work off their flight and living expenses by working for the company there. I wish I could see the looks on their faces when they find out that company scrip doesn't buy flights back.

Uninformed speculation: they need oil changes, but aren't in the regular service so it will break down, causing costly repairs or forcing you to buy a new one. The planned obsolescence is baked right in.

They aren't being paid for the efforts and profits produced by their labors for 8 full hours. They are being paid for being at the company for 8 hours.

Let's say they make 1,000 bits and bobs an hour, which the company sells for $20 each. That's $160,000 worth of product made over the course of their shift. Taking out taxes and operating costs and various overhead, they're still generating a lot of profit. They aren't being paid the worth of the value they create. Instead, they're making $7.25 an hour. It will take them almost 3 hours of work to buy one bit and bob, even though they create 1,000 an hour.

Taking all of someone's money at the end of their life is a great way to prevent generational wealth from accumulating.

All fun and games until a drunk driver crashes into your apartment on the 6th floor

I don't think I would handle that well, if Hansi turned out to be a garbage person.

USNS Comfort is fueled and ready. She's probably pierside though, with no intentions of getting underway.

I agree, really turned me off to the band, although I will throw on Demons and Wizards from time to time.

Iced Earth guitarist was one of the first ones in the door on January 6th. The band pretty much said they disagree with his actions,but not his intent.

Guitarist from Manowar in trouble for being a pedo.

Years ago, Zazz Blammymatazz had a song about getting head from a 14 year old.

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me. They were all murdered in prison so they wouldn't talk. Looks like we're gunna see a few more Epsteins.

Reminds me of that arc in Breaking Bad where they had to keep making money to pay off people in jail to keep them from flipping and trying for a plea. I forget how it ended though.

I laughed so hard at this that I teared up, thank you.

Well if I, as an occasional customer, learn that Tim is murdering people, I doubt he's still making soaps in his backyard.

You don't get to become a company able to compete on a global scale without being unethical. Capitalism relies on exploitation.

What I'm asking is it worth the effort to dig so deep to find negatives? I certainly don't have the time to do so with every purchase I make. If I can't afford Tim's soap, does that make me immoral for having to buy problematic soap?

I'd have to look into the things you've done that you aren't proud of before I buy from your etsy.

I agree, know better and do better. But if we need to question our soap purchases, what isn't being made with questionable methods or intentions?

But now we have to research and investigate companies C through Z to make sure they meet our moral standards. We wouldn't want to give our money to a bad cause. In a profit driven market, win-at-all-cost mentalities are rewarded. Corners get cut, laws are broken, and the fines to pay off the government for breaking those laws are cheaper than the cost to fix the issues and comply with the law. Dig enough and any large corporation will have some level of morality issue. Racist CEO's, misogynistic HR reps, middle managers that exploit their workers.

So OP goes online, finds a guy named Tim who makes their own soap. It's ethical, sustainable, it leaves OP's skin feeling wonderful. It costs $26 for 8 ounces. When verizon was digging the cables OP used to connect to the internet, they ruined groundhog habitats. The point is, there is always going to be something negative. Good for OP for sticking to their morals and trying to find a soap that invests in something they believe in. So where is the line drawn? Where do you stop investigating businesses to see if their morality matches up with your own? The investors? The CEO? Debra in accounting?

Also, I'm not pretending they're all as bad as each other. I know they're all as bad as each other. Global capitalism is a system in which we're forced to participate, and now I have to do hours of research to justify a soap purchase so I can feel clean physically and mentally. Now I'm wondering about my coffee purchases. What about that candle I bought?

I'm not trying to be contrarian or difficult, I'm just trying to provoke thought. I'm sure OP is reading this and is wondering how a simple post about soap could go so far off the rails. We could discuss this and all it's odds and ends for hours.