Before and after satellite images show destruction in Gaza
thank yooou, i'll read through this later! want me to respond when i'm done with it or?
careful! That wiki is managed by the Lemmy Developers, they might BLOCK you
i'm not an alt of mwguy if that's what you're getting at. I sort by new comments and enjoyed this chain, but I wanna know more about the oslo accords.
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That's why Parliamentary Democracies are the best kind.
any links to these? sound fun
chaotic!
what's some more solutions for the worlds problems?
Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.
more info pls
And they’ve also got drones and jets, so it would be pretty easy to airstrike anyone who breached the border wall.
... You want to spend a minimum of 200 million USD to airstrike breaches? That's grossly unrealistic.
Might does not make right.
But Russia didn't declare war when they invaded Crimea, likewise they didn't when it came to Ukraine. For Taiwan, it wouldn't be rightfully theirs, but they will still control it. But you see, that brings us back to the loop, where the Jews have historic claim to the land before Palestine but lost a war and were taken away from the land. That's why the two-state solution was really the only peaceful method of resolution, which the Arabs didn't accept.
Just because Nat Turner and John Brown lost doesn’t mean they should have just said “oh well” and kept slavery. The Native Americans losing against the US didn’t justify forcing them onto reservations.
Don't know who those people are.
Reuters wrote about it, that’s the least biased news website I can think of.
Thank you! That is very disgusting behaviour, and Israel should do better. But again, as usual, Hamas did it first, killing paramedics during the massacre. Not that it's justified, it is not. Gaza, Israel--no one is innocent here.
But if you’re open to change your mind, I’m happy to continue talking about this.
What do you think I need to change my mind on?
There's a genocide, yes, it ticks enough of the ten stages to be one. Likewise, Gaza wishes to genocide Israel. However, Palestine, specifically Gaza, put itself in a difficult situation with poor choices like trying to overthrow neighbouring governments of friendly/neutral nations.
See I think we speak from Western privilege, where we can voice our opinions on these matters, but ultimately, we have no power and no input; we don't live there, and we don't experience the terror both groups feel and the hatred they have for one another. We can feel sadness, who wouldn't? But I think Westerners should shut up and just let what happens, happen, the land has been fought over for millennia, and it has nothing but death to show for it, will it stop?
If the West needs to get involved, at least accept refugees who are in favour of secularism, specifically the oppressed women and the children.
E.g. here. Snippets:
Some hopeful signs, though the article does point out that Gaza does not want to settle with two states, difficult problem.
Also when has Israel given weapons to Gazans to get rid of Hamas I’d like to have a source on that. Did you even read what I wrote.
Yeah, you said 'or how else do you suppose would they be able to do it? With prayers?', so I gave some examples of the different attempts of dealing with hamas. It's all in the wikipedia article, though it is quite lengthy, admittedly.
And that’s why Israel needs to have a fascist minister for national security? A guy who called for the assassination of Rabin? Like, no alternative to that?
I'm sure there are alternatives. It's a democratic republic, but terror breeds bigots.
Ok, that’s fine. Israel is still commiting horrific war crimes based on information, but the extent is what is in question.
As is Hamas. No one is a saint in this conflict, unfortunately.
Settler colonialism is a cancer and should be eradicated from this planet.
You do realise that means Palestine is also going to be eradicated, right? The Jews had claim to the land before the Ottomans.
Sucks to suck. Israel has billions of dollars of funding annually and mandatory conscription. They can step the fuck up and protect their own civilians without committing war crimes.
It's not a matter of resources; it's a matter of logistics. How will you protect a wall that spans 40km, close to Israeli civilians and Gaza citizens, 24/7 for an indefinite amount of time against a force that will only grow bigger and bigger and more and more violent?
If it's by attrition, that's what they've been trying, and it doesn't work when some terrorists can sneak through and slaughter innocents.
Israel came to be through colonialism. Thus any action against them is revolutionary. Just because Israel crushed the revolutionary action doesn’t make Israel the revolutionary force.
Palestine also came to be through colonialism. Regardless, Israel won both wars, it is their claim--Palestine fought and lost. Funnily enough, if the Arab League never declared war, they'd have their land.
The source is the Palestinian Red Crescent Society, which is part of the International Red Cross. CNN is simply restating it.
Can you find any other reputable sources reporting it? Neutral ones. If it's the international red cross, there should already be a UN report.
I don’t think this discussion is going to be productive.
I think it is. We're two westerners, we have zero stakes in what happens, there's nothing either of can do but discuss what's happening. Plenty of disagreements, of course, that's healthy, but there shouldn't be any aggression going on, right?
Polls also clearly show that Gazans want democracy back, that they want Hamas to hand over security to the PA, and various other things.
Link em
If you want Gazans to get rid of Hamas themselves, go ahead, be my guest, give them the weapons to do so… or how else do you suppose would they be able to do it? With prayers?
Already been tried, my dude, Hamas said no.
Stop fucking deflecting responsibility. Clean up your own house before you complain about that of your neighbour.
Except they pretty much share the same house that can't agree on anything.
No I’m gonna think they lied
Well alright. I prefer to go by information, personally.
Tighten the border like they fucking should have done when they got intel that hamas was planning something. Don’t let em through and they won’t kill civilians.
Heeey, wait a moment, earlier you were against Israeli Settlements in the West Bank (Which may I remind you, Israeli claims that the settlements are for security), and then you want to strengthen the border around Gaza? How do you expect them to strengthen it? Put turrets on all the walls? Armed squads? That's an entire border, an insane amount of resources compared to the checkpoint system that they use in the West Bank.
But you don’t condemn the revolutionaries, you condemn the oppressor for forcing them to turn to these awful means.
But that's how Israel came to be. Palestine and the Arab League had wars about this and lost to Israeli forces.
Sorry, I should've been more clear. Do you have a reputable source? CNN has a bad history of misinformation and bias. After the whole hospital bullshit, I only read neutral or reputable sources.
Because Hamas is the central authority of Gaza.
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I hope it changes to be more moral. Taking down those scam centres could be a good start.
Yes, and until they provide evidence for every single building that they bombed in Gaza and Lebanon and the west bank, I will continue to think so.
Well, I like to think neutrally since you only have their word to take for granted. Or you can take Hamas' word. But considering Israel is under scrutiny by the world stage, I think their word is more reputable.
Sure, and the way to do that is to undermine their support by a) not bombing innocents in gaza and b) withdrawing settlements in the west bank to show Palestinians that the PA is the path to freedom, not hamas. Not radicalizing people is how you get rid of radical terrorist groups.
And what is Israel to do while Hamas gathers forces and continues to attack?
If Israel really wants the military solution, they can throw soldiers at urban combat, but it’s probably the 2nd worst solution. Or maybe the 1st, considering how Israeli troops have a track record of deliberately targeting civilians, including children medics and journalists.
As does Hamas.
Warning about committing war crimes doesn’t make them ok.
Oooh, now you care about war crimes? Where were you when Hamas were performing war crimes?
They’re even bombing ambulances.
Source please.
All you’re doing there is say “The enemy is not human, they are animals, they do not deserve humanity”. That that very attitude, Israeli right-wing disregard for Palestinian humanity, made them the way they are is conveniently left out. You may not realise it but you’re using fascist logic.
Oh, I understand. You're saying that Israel is lying that Hamas is inside the innocent's homes?
Regardless, fighting terrorists in tight urban environments with civilians will always fail. The US couldn't handle it despite almost 20 years of trying, and Israel will definitely be unable to. This leaves a difficult problem, Hamas needs to be destroyed, but Hamas doesn't care about rules of engagement and likes to nestle themselves in high-civilian populations.
What is your solution here? Israel told all civilians to flee south and notified places that they are about to bomb (Though 5-20 minutes isn't much of a warning to get all of your possessions and get 10km's away.)
Think we should just focus on one just issue/topic?