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It will never be my responsibility to come up with a solution to a problem I didn't create. Nor am I morally obligated to give up my principles to a plan created by people who refused to consider alternatives. I won't be voting for Biden again and when he loses it will be the responsibility of Joe Biden and the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.

What the fuck are you talking about? The solution in the 2020 primaries was "don't vote for the procorporate establishment trash candidate". You all didn't like that plan so here we are.

You're intentionally ignoring why I have no solution at this point. Because all other solutions have been eliminated. That's how you people work. You trash and undermine our every attempt at change and then when they're all defeated and we start saying we're not motivated to vote you play this fucking game like it wasn't you fighting us every step of the way.

You're the one defending a genocide supporting trash of a human being and refusing to hold them accountable.

Biden hasn't changed. He's the same vile evil man he's always been.

We did provide a solution in 2020. Multiple. They were all rejected. It is not our responsibility to find a solution to a problem we didn't create.

How about you ask the people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries what their plan is to get people to vote for him? If you're any indication the strategy is the same as always. "More finger wagging like the useless geriatrics we are!"

Because decades of being marginalized by Boomers have left generations after them trained to think their participation has no effect. Which is precisely the intention. You're happy it works right up until the point where we don't vote for your geriatric genocide supporting procorporate trash of a human being in the general election.

What a pathetic defense for Boomers being selfish shit bags.

... I'm sorry. Do you use this defense when you're talking about Trump or are you just a blatant hypocrite?

Biden is an evil person. Trump is an evil person. You shouldn't defend either of them.

No I'm going to keep making it clear anybody who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries over the many superior options is a shit bag.

Yeah I'm sure that comes as a huge comfort to the millions of people who's lives he ruined with his 1994 stop and frisk crime bill.

Billionaires are richer than ever. Housing is more expensive than ever. Food is more expensive than ever. Healthcare is more expensive than ever. Education is more expensive than ever. The planet is hotter than ever.

Are you referring to the pretty rainbow flags that McDonald's hangs once a year? Or the BLM posters in the middle of a gated community with all white residents?

Go on. Tell me about this incremental progress.

It is I! USB-C-MAN! Begone with you foul villain!

Oh heaven forbid I mix up how he is trying to help people.

Oh is that what you call lying?

It's clear you know nothing about who Joe Biden is or what he has done. And you know what, that's fine! Vote for him. That's your right.

But if you're going to come into a conversation telling other people why they should vote for him don't be surprised when you get fact checked.

He literally passed a bill

No he didn't. The attempted at student loan forgiveness you're referring to was done through an executive order. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/qa-on-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness/

Also, I suspect he fully intended for it to fail for two reasons.

1. Joe Biden voted numerous times to make student loan debt difficult to remove through bankruptcies during his time as senator. There is no reason to think he suddenly was in favor of student loan forgiveness.
2. At the same time he announced this attempt he announced student loan debt repayments would restart. Obviously this wasn't going to go over well and he needed some popular news to drown out that aspect. It worked. Student loan payments resumed and student loan forgiveness failed.

He’s forgiven billions in student loan debt

This was part of your conversation. You're just deflecting because you had no idea what the PSLF program was or how it came to be.

And no I don't give participation trophies to presidents. Especially when I suspect they wanted it to fail in the first place.

Or did you forget that part?

No I didn't forget. But that's not what you were talking about. You were talking about the student loans forgiven during Biden's term. That's being done under the PSLF program signed into law by G.W. Bush in 2007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Service_Loan_Forgiveness

If forgiving loans under this program is one reason to call Biden a progressive then the same would apply to Bush.

So I'll ask you again, was Bush also a progressive?

Yes which Boomer Democrats exploit in the primaries.

Trump: He's also evil and I'm not voting for him either.

I mean Boomer Democrat voters could sit down and ask themselves "Is voting for a geriatric establishment white man really the move in the 2020 primaries if we want those "young" (read: anyone under the age of 65) voters to engage in politics"

But they won't because even though they vote Democrat they're still Boomers. And Boomers can't handle not getting their way.