galloog1 @ galloog1 @lemmy.world

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Your perspective is that of peacetime. There is an armed force preventing entry.

I'm tired of arguing without a source. I'm still waiting on literally anyone to provide the source for when the IDF cited specific locations to go other than south.

What war crimes? There is a difference between war and war crimes and hardly anybody on this site knows the difference.

Your sources literally don't show where they told them to go, only to leave Gaza City and head south. Try again and this time actually read your sources for literally any point at which they gave specific guidance.

I will put it quite simply. You cannot provide an example where the IDF told Gaza civilians to go to a specific place, only places where they should not go.

Correct which is why your entire narrative is false because they never told civilians to go to a specific place. Dig into it. This is exactly what I mean when I call this stuff propaganda. It's stretching the truth and inviting you to draw your own conclusions from warped facts.

I don't think there are media controls on Lemmy but it also opens it up to automated propaganda and manipulation.

When did Israel provide a location that was anything more specific than the south?

CGP Grey didn't cover primaries.

Are any of these debates really debates?

You are spreading their propaganda and disinformation.

Do the Nazis have a power structure anymore? I actually agree with you that the justifications are similar to the Allied coalition against fascism. Go take a look at how many civilians died in that conflict.

I'm still waiting on these tactics you are recommending. Alternatives don't exist so your argument is absolute bullshit. The faster they can get through this, the less overall civilian suffering will occur.

They do limit targeting. How many strikes are you seeing in the south as compared to the north? That's a limitation and shows proportionality. You folks may not like it but this is categorically not a war crime.

The issue is not censorship, it's disinformation and Hamas is all over it when allowed.

This is why all those arguments about foot soldiers being the more ethical option were complete ignorance in my opinion. Not in a city.

Yes, Israel and Egypt set up borders after they left the occupation of Gaza as they moved towards sovereignty. That's how international borders work. It's not an apartheid state unless you don't defacto recognize Palistinian independence if not statehood.

The Israeli side won't say as much because they don't want to legitimate Hamas but it really is that simple to me.

I agree on many points but it's also important to consider that 18% of Israel's population is Palistinian. If Palistinian statehood is the goal, apartheid implies that they should be fully integrated. I don't see either side ever fully accepting a minority solution. Inability to come to a full agreement on this situation is the issue. There's a lot more nuisance in terms of resources and access that definitely lean more to the Palistinian narrative but most of the responses and perverse incentives center around violence.

If Israel attempts to work with Palistinians, they inherently have to work with their government as it is not an occupation. Any funding or humanitarian aid for Palestine is funding for Hamas until they are fully removed. I think the Israel's agree with you on this one.

Yeah, I think that's dumb but debates aren't inherently required for elections.

Even when you do the right thing, it only matters if people know you did it truth or no truth. I'm over trusting that doing the right thing matters anymore in my life. It never did because disinformers will always take advantage of your silence and delay in telling the whole story.

Ever notice how quick Hamas is to have a narrative concerning events and Israel waits until they have evidence and simply provides a policy narrative otherwise? This is how trust is gained.