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The IDF is the source. That doesn't mean that the rest of the intelligence is not true, tunnels haven't expanded, and that they are not using them for military purposes. It is simply focused on that hospital in particular.

I'm still waiting on literally anyone to provide a source where Hamas admits it's side lost militants in an air strike without overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Only one side is consistently making immediate claims about civilian casualties and they also control the cited medical resources that report on it.

We should. It has been higher in the taking of every city in the middle east in the last 20 years that wasn't a NATO country.

The tunnels are extremely well documented. Absence of solid evidence for an underground base would actually support the approach that Israel took. Otherwise they would simply bomb it. This is consistent with current doctrine and so evidence in support of their approach.

How do you feel about people who are ideologically opposed to your field and also ignorant?

Israel occupied the Gaza strip until 2005. There is certain infrastructure that they built and tunnels under that hospital was one of them. It was not for military purposes but they know it is there. It's important to understand the context behind the news as well as the events themselves.

They absolutely do and they place no limitations on themselves.

Apparently not because Israel is getting torn apart in the information space for that approach.

Deception is at the core of all warfare. Politics is inseparable. Any tool to increase data will be gamed for political ends.

If you are a scientist then I'll ask you to consider two things. How often do people talk to you about your expertise and get it wrong and how does that make you feel? Imagine if it's an ethical issue.

Occam's razor is how you handle what you see without sufficient evidence. What we are seeing is exactly what I would expect to see with a professional army taking two cities defended by 40,000 trained defenders with years to prepare. This includes the information space. Why would you think differently?

Your entire reply can be summed up as "no you are lying" without addressing any of the points. If you cannot admit that an 80 year old location called a refugee camp I'd not functioning as a refugee camp anymore I don't think there is anything you will accept as truth. You are very taken by propaganda and you do not validate claims, as a lot of folks on here do.

Literally all of these claims have been made against NATO countries when I've seen it personally to not be true and I've seen NATO take the same approach to the response. Insurgents and others at a disadvantage such as Hamas lie because it's the only way they can gain the information war. Find one example where Hamas admits that one of their members were killed. You cannot because according to them, all Israel hits are civilians and ambulances and they've never traveled in one. Not once.

This poll is not going to be accurate because you have worded it so. Everyone knows there are tunnels there because Israel dug them in particular there before leaving occupation in 2006. The real questions should be if they are connected, serving as a logistics hub, or used for storage of weapons. Even then, that's a completely different question on if it was justified to take the hospital in the way they did as opposed to just bombing it and of the certainty of the intelligence played into the decision making there.

That's exactly why it's not relevant. I'm not the one screaming war crimes.

That was almost exclusively Ukraine posting those things and it highly relies on what political leadership approves in terms of policy.

Civilian infrastructure are public works dedicated solely to civilians and does not inherently include power. You do not understand war crimes.

Collective punishment implies no military purpose. Israel is being very careful to include military purpose in all their narratives. You do not understand war crimes.

Forcible relocation is only occurring if Israel does not allow them to return after the current conflict is concluded. This is not relevant right now and is actively warned against. You do not understand war crimes.

Israel has not ordered civilians to any specific area they have then bombed. There's a lot of disinformation around this one in terms of hitting former routes well after they should've been gone. You don't understand the information space.

Israel has a border. That's not blockading a population in anymore than Egypt is guilty of the exact same thing within context. You don't understand war crimes.

Not providing food is not the same thing as depriving of food and it's been shown to go to Hamas, not the civilian population when they do. You don't understand the information space or war crimes. This does however show why they want to end the conflict as quickly as possible. It clouds decision making.

Bombing a convoy of mismarked vehicles is not a war crime. Just because you through a red crescent on your logistics vehicles and then use them to transport combatants does not make it an illegitimate target. Hamas does this because it works. The IDF has shown at least some of their intelligence supporting this. https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/hamas-israel-war-articles-videos-and-more/war-on-hamas-2023-resources/hamas-terrorist-uses-ambulances-for-transportation-purposes/ You don't understand war crimes.

Something called a refugee camp for 80 years is not an active refugee camp. You don't understand the information space

Intentionally targeting reporters is a war crime. I'm yet to see anything close to intent but it is sad that reporters have been caught up and killed regardless. They are actively trying to gain more information from Gaza which does put them more at risk.

The IDF is not using white phosphorous munitions within Gaza City but have probably used it for illumination. This is perfectly legal. You don't understand the information space.

If any of these statements are inaccurate, feel free to provide a source that has actual evidence. War crimes happen in literally every army so don't think I don't think they happen. The difference is when it is planned, condoned, and unprosecuted by the supporting organization. That is my burden of proof. I have seen the Hamas operations order. The IDF have so far not been acting out of accordance with what's expected of a modern professional fighting force.

Ah, the site didn't load for me. The issue here is that of time. You are showing guidance from the beginning of the conflict and no further guidance after our included in the row. That location was not the end of movement. It's selective information you are being shown and a great example of deceptive imagery.

There should be no civilians left in Gaza City right now unless they are choosing to ignore the guidance wholesale or they run the risk of Hamas using them as shields which we absolutely have seen.

Good luck providing proof of intent. That should be a red flag right there about your narrative. Israel's narrative has never been that they are targeting civilians and they've shown on quite a few occasions in this current conflict that they have justification for their targets. They are at war right now. They don't have time to justify every single target to you personally.

They were told to head south and out of Gaza City. City center is south of Beit Hanoun but not out of Gaza City. This is typical stretching of the truth and not a source that provides what Israel actually said.

This does not meet the burden of proof. Not at all. It is a great example of propaganda through.

They literally have the government platform in Gaza and are for some reason believed at face value despite being more wrong than right. They are also amplified by multiple Arab states and their state run news organizations.

It's literally a military take.