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Additional reporting: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/10/25/7481372/

Mmk

Edit: I'm not sticking around to discover how these arguments evolve again and again.

No it isn't (math) and yes you did (quoted).

Your original complaint (spending more on Israel than climate change) was at least an order of magnitude or two off from what is actually going on, and the "millions" part was easily disproven. Confronted with that, your new complaint (to the same ends) is now the time span under which these sums are dedicated, no longer the actual amount, despite that being satisfied now. I know what that sounds like.

Did you find a source that proves we could meet our climate goals if we didn't fund Israel?

I understand the fallacy and what you said. The article seems to report more than 17.9 billion in total. Now it sounds like the goal posts are shifting.

Thanks for the discussion.

That's one part of the article, yes. And your last claim requires a citation.

But! If we stopped wasting money burning fuel for Israel, we could meet those goals!

Again, I understand the fallacy. I trust you will amend your previous statements? "Billions for climate change"?

I understand the fallacy, thanks.

You'll be happy to hear that Biden had invested billions into climate change.

https://www.wri.org/insights/biden-administration-tracking-climate-action-progress

Also

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

The "not as bad as" fallacy, also known as the fallacy of relative privation, asserts that:

If something is worse than the problem currently being discussed, then

The problem currently being discussed isn't that important at all.

In order for the statement "A is not as bad as B," to suggest a fallacy there must be a fallacious conclusion such as: ignore A.

You:

I only said we should demand more and highlighted the Biden-Harris administration's fucked up priorities. I'm not asking for a pony, I'm asking that we stop burning fossil fuels to support a genocidal apartheid state. It's not an unreasonable expectation!

Based on their presented intelligence, the bunker is accessible from adjacent buildings, not the hospital itself. The bunker is said to be located beneath the hospital, so the tour was presumably not able to actually get to the entrance from there.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lebanese-hospital-opens-doors-to-journalists-aiming-to-disprove-idf-claim-that-its-housing-hezbollah-cash-bunker/

To all the journalists in Beirut, including those who participated in the press tour in the Al-Sahel Hospital, these are the entry instructions to Nasrallah’s bunker we exposed yesterday:

According to intelligence information, one of the entrances to the bunker, containing more than half a billion dollars in gold and dollars, is on the eastern side of the basement of the Al-Ahmedi building, located south of the Al-Sahel hospital.

The basement is on the second floor down (level -2).

It is important to note that it is possible the entrance is hidden by various means in order to make it difficult to find.

We invite you to this site in which Hezbollah is holding money that was taken from the Lebanese people.

Journalists attempted to access the other entrance and were denied.

https://www.lbcgroup.tv/news/news-bulletin-reports/808268/lbci-enters-sahel-general-hospital-amid-israeli-allegations-of-hezboll/en

As journalists arrived at the hospital and began coverage, Israeli army spokesperson Avichay Adraee posted a message on X, urging the media to move from the hospital to the specific sites he had revealed on a map.

According to him, these sites would lead to Hezbollah's underground bunker.

LBCI attempted to approach the building Adraee referred to. However, young men were stationed below, locking its iron gates with chains. They prevented the crew from filming.

Additionally, when LBCI tried to contact Hezbollah's media representatives to demand permission to film inside the building, the request was declined.

Based on their presented intelligence, the bunker is accessible from adjacent buildings, not the hospital itself. The bunker is said to be located beneath the hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/lebanese-hospital-opens-doors-to-journalists-aiming-to-disprove-idf-claim-that-its-housing-hezbollah-cash-bunker/

To all the journalists in Beirut, including those who participated in the press tour in the Al-Sahel Hospital, these are the entry instructions to Nasrallah’s bunker we exposed yesterday:

According to intelligence information, one of the entrances to the bunker, containing more than half a billion dollars in gold and dollars, is on the eastern side of the basement of the Al-Ahmedi building, located south of the Al-Sahel hospital.

The basement is on the second floor down (level -2).

It is important to note that it is possible the entrance is hidden by various means in order to make it difficult to find.

We invite you to this site in which Hezbollah is holding money that was taken from the Lebanese people.

Edit:

https://www.lbcgroup.tv/news/news-bulletin-reports/808268/lbci-enters-sahel-general-hospital-amid-israeli-allegations-of-hezboll/en

As journalists arrived at the hospital and began coverage, Israeli army spokesperson Avichay Adraee posted a message on X, urging the media to move from the hospital to the specific sites he had revealed on a map.

According to him, these sites would lead to Hezbollah's underground bunker.

LBCI attempted to approach the building Adraee referred to. However, young men were stationed below, locking its iron gates with chains. They prevented the crew from filming.

Additionally, when LBCI tried to contact Hezbollah's media representatives to demand permission to film inside the building, the request was declined.

Mmk

Oh no... Doesn't sound like it's debunked based on the provided sources.

And I thank you for considering me a ninja, despite my edit not embodying the intent I'm suspecting is cast here.

Ah, understood, based on my reading, I don't see anything "debunked."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/03/hamas-gaza-israel-alshifa-tunnels/

The newly declassified information, obtained by U.S. spy agencies, shows that militants destroyed documents and electronics at the complex in advance of the Israel Defense Forces raid, according to U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.

“We have information that continues to support our conclusion that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad used the al-Shifa Hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages,” said one official. Palestinian Islamic Jihad is another Gaza-based militant group, allied with Hamas in the fight against Israel but under separate command.

What was debunked?

Comparing which number of sites is bigger... K.

I see no reason to subscribe to this theory.

Edit: and you were taking about expansion, not genocide...

I was confused on if it’s a dude calling for the death of Israel or just a dude against zionistic imperialistic expansion of Israel into his country who is rightfully pissed.

Ah gotcha, "didn't really mean it," and it isn't the case that there was no evidence, the assessment was circulated to congress.

When your second comment asks why it was "no longer" used as a base, "trust us bro" doesn't work when you're admitting yourself it was used as a base just prior.

Perhaps Hamas could let anyone know they're moving out.

Did Hamas let anyone know they were leaving?

And the first meme doesn't play in this situation.

While unsure about the Qatari hospital, this is not unfounded.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-believes-hamas-used-al-shifa-hospital-evacuated-before-israeli-operation-2024-01-03/

The U.S. intelligence assessment was reported first by the New York Times. A classified version of the assessment was sent to lawmakers in the U.S. Congress.

Israeli tanks advanced on Gaza City's Al Shifa hospital, with some patients still inside, in mid-November. Israel said the hospital sat atop tunnels housing headquarters for Hamas fighters using patients as shields, which Hamas denied.

Israeli assessment's was at least partially correct that some hostages were held at or under the complex but those hostages appeared to have been moved as Hamas evacuated, the New York Times reported.

In November, White House national security spokesman John Kirby said, opens new tab Hamas militants were sheltering themselves in the hospital and using the facility as a shield against military action, placing patients and medical staff at risk.

"We have our own intelligence that convinces us that Hamas was using Al Shifa as a command and control node, and most likely as well as a storage facility," Kirby said in November. Washington had at the time not declassified the sources of the U.S. intelligence.