Sybil @ federatingIsTooHard @lemmy.world

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I know this was lazy. but I think it's good enough.

edit: oh. this is a bit better

it was the smallest amount of power I could concieve. certainly, there is an authority in small things like setting the agenda and deciding on how strictly to adhere to timetables.

I guess I just don't understand what you're getting at..I don't have a chart of population sizes. I'm just going to say I don't know, but an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

let's say, though, that none ever existed. so what?

no. I think they could have won 100 years ago and I think they could win tomorrow. I like the tactic. people can be inspired and it can happen in an instant.

The fact is that China has police and prisons and banks. I don't know for sure but I would guess they even have landlords. That's not my revolution.

I know you disagree with anarchist tactics. That's what our whole discussion is about.

I would disagree. clearly I do.

they were hunted down and framed for crimes. they were executed. they were exiled.

plainly, I'd say it's state repression. they struck fear in their hearts in the state struck back.

and why should that be the metric?

a communist society is classless, moneyless and stateless. anything else isn't communism.

Is this material to whether the soviet is concentrating power?

a system that operates with consent and consensus has no authority.

i'd say they haven't succeeded yet.

I thought their end goal was a classless, stateless society?

right, but since we (they) eschew(ed) prefigurative theories, we (they) only organized to fight. the actual structure of society is up to the people who live in the world that we (they) make possible.

i think we could get along fine on mutual aid projects. i don't think i can trust you to facilitate a meeting.

that wasn't their only goal, but it was one of them.

So, let’s say the workers form Soviets. Those Soviets have to be destroyed, right?

it is going to depend, isn't it? are the soviets operated with consent and consensus?

i already explained i have no illusions that i can dictate what it's going to look like after the revolution. i do know what i won't tolerate.

Thats some right libertarian hyper-individualist hogwash. Stop being alienated from your fellow workers.

i have no problem working with my neighbors. i have big problems with someone tellingme how we should do that.

very. they inspired millions, which was the goal of those actions.

i'm saying until you define "large scale" you gave your self enough wiggle room to push every scotsman into the sea.