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In the aaaaarms of the aaaaangels

What is the name of your religion and how can I make sure my loved ones never join it?

Long live the Pringles cantenna

It’s not a “natural humidifier” why are you clumping those two words into a singular item?

I don't think I called it a "natural humidifier" anywhere. I called it a "natural dehumidifier," the same as you did in your original comment.

Also…

The definition and example you've chosen addresses an expected reaction. An air conditioner is a dehumidifier. In your chosen example given in that definition on dictionary.com, your original comment would be more akin to saying, "When the fist landed forcefully on his face, it was natural that he was punched in the face."

You really are intentionally obtuse, you literally explained how an ac naturally dehumidifies that air, but dance around using the proper term since you’ve got it in your head that it was misused, even so far as to ignore a dictionary definition.

I want to either take responsibility for or deny whatever it is you're saying here, but I'm not sure what you're saying. This isn't me trying to throw in a burn by personally attacking you and saying that you don't know how to communicate. I think I'm just confused by the wording. There are probably millions of other people to whom this makes sense, but I'm probably misreading what you wrote. I believe you're saying that I'm explaining that an ac "naturally" dehumidifies the air, but I'm avoiding using the word "naturally" because I believe that your use of "naturally" was improper, so much so that I'm willing to ignore the definition of the word naturally. But I don't want to misconstrue your words because any argument I'd make would be about using a word to define that same word, which doesn't progress our discourse.

Edit, here’s another

"Without special help or intervention" with the example of "naturally curly hair" is literally describing part of nature: the way that hair grows. If someone wore a curly wig, I don't think that they'd tell you they have naturally curly hair. When you say that an air conditioner is naturally a humidifier, it sounds the same to me as someone saying that a lever naturally can be used for leverage—yes, that's why it's called what it is, because it does what it does. Is an automobile naturally a cart that moves without a horse pushing or pulling it? No, that's literally what it is. That's why it's called an automobile. An air conditioner is called that because it itself is a dehumidifier. It's not "naturally" a dehumidifier, it was designed to be a dehumidifier. The argument you're trying to make is the same as Futurama’s joke about Wireless Joe and Pitch-o-mat 5000 being literal versus figurative blernsball machines.

Nothing to do with nature or anything else

What a thought-terminating argument. Nothing to do with nature or anything else! Are you arguing that your words mean what you intended because you said them? Slow down there, Veruca Salts.

but bloviate dude

I don't know why you're trying to turn this argument personal, but very well. That's a good one dollar word! And you used this one correctly, way to go! If you wanted to sound fancy in the first place and the correct word, "literally," seemed too pedestrian, you could instead substitute "ipso facto." Since an ac, by the fact of being an air conditioner is itself a dehumidifier.

I normally try not to be so challenging about people misusing words, but you're just stubborn and self-righteous enough to remind me of my father and that's gotten under my skin.

Anyway, it's obvious that neither of us is a linguist not enough of an expert to split hairs like this, since we can't agree on the meaning of definitions of words. If anyone with some knowledge wants to weigh in and tell me I'm being pedantic, I'll begrudgingly eat crow.

Are you arguing physics aren’t a part of nature…?

I... Uhhh... I'm not even sure where to start with that... Like, I see the point you're trying to prove, but in the context of your initial comment, it's confusing at best. When you see an airplane flying overhead, leveraging Bernoulli's Principle to seemingly levitate at speed (similar to how air conditioners leverage Bernoulli's Principle to displace heat outside of the area in which you want your air conditioned, and to evaporate refrigerant inside that area), do you point at it and say "ain't nature grand?!" Even an ornithopter, which also leverages Bernoulli's Principle, but uses the natural motion of birds flapping their wings, would still get you odd looks if you called it a part of nature. But I feel like you probably don't call planes or any other man-made vehicles parts of nature. Likely, you're phrasing your question around evaporation, a very natural process, but your initial comment didn't say "evaporation is natural." So, by taking my comment about air conditioners, boiling it down to being about physics, not the fact that it's a man-made appliance that you plug in to achieve anything, you're attempting to frame an argument out of context. But if you want me to follow you down your rabbit hole of bad faith arguments, then here we go! You only specified physics, are you arguing that chemistry isn't part of nature...?

natural has more than a single definition

I fail to see which one of dictionary.com’s 38 definitions of natural supports calling an air conditioner a natural dehumidifier. While all forms of air conditioning over time have used some form of energy differential to remove hot air, only the modern electric air conditioner (the kind that's actually called an "air conditioner") specifically condenses air moisture into a mechanism specifically designed to then remove that moisture from the system entirely. In fact, the original electric air conditioning unit was installed at a publishing company to control the humidity and keep the paper from buckling. The term "air conditioning" was later coined when people experimented with reintroducing moisture into airflow systems, proving that they can truly control the temperature and humidity of an area, a process similar to "water conditioning," which was a more well-known term.

you’re being intentionally obtuse

If an air conditioner's primary function is removing moisture from air, it would be just as awkward to call it a "natural dehumidifier" as it would be to call a pitching machine a "natural pitcher." An air conditioner isn't "naturally" a dehumidifier, it's literally a dehumidifier. It's naturally a white noise machine, or it naturally causes nosebleeds if you run it with the heater on in the winter, or it's naturally able to be used as a filtration system when you use it with the proper Merv-rated HEPA filter.

Calling an air conditioner a "natural dehumidifier" makes it sound like its purpose is cooling and it just so happens to condense and sink away moisture, but it literally does that by design. Refusing to acknowledge that diminishes the effort, science, and engineering that went into inventing it as an appliance. Hand-waiving that away removes people's ability to intuitively understand things like sweating (a thing that naturallycools you off) or wet-bulb temperature, which when factoring in global warming means that sweating could eventually not cool you down naturally.

Toilet paper isn't naturally absorbent, it is designed to be that; paper towel designs don't naturally prevent layers from sticking together, they are designed specifically for that reason; hard candies aren't naturally sweet, they're designed that way. Differentiating is important to demystify rather than confuse the topic.

You can cry on my shoulder. It's hot here and I could use the free water.

I'd argue that hot humid air condensing on a cold stone might be a natural dehumidifier, but I'm not sure that refrigerant being compressed in a high-pressure system and then allowed to rapidly decompress through coils captured in dense arrays of metal fins while a fan blows across them qualifies as a "natural" process.

Anyway, I was just being a little silly about describing an Air Conditioner's primary function as a natural process.

Then I realized it could come off as a little mean, so I selectively and deliberately misconstrued "dehumidify" in a way to make myself sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Now, let's put on our foil hats and speculate wildly instead of explaining our comments! THEY want us to fight so that they can take our McRibs!

AC... Natural...

Dehum-idifier...

Need I say more?

How are we supposed to build them monuments if they won't die?

Hey! Don't mess with Texas!

We'll cry if you do.

Looks to me somewhere between two fingers

The joke is that it's George Michael instead of Princess Diana, but their hair looks similar. I hate to call you out on the internet, but next time you're gonna be so careless, whisper.

1984? Hammer throw will have to suffice then

To speak for Jews would not be fair, but I've been sued to report, "he who has glued-on hair."

I'm okay with a generation not instinctively crowd-funding a Zach Braff project.

The fuck you talking about? The second pic is us anytime someone shits on us or our family. Please Daddy Teddy, abandon us just one more time for a natural disaster! We’re so close!!!!

Maybe, but I kinda doubt it. I think this psyop is Made in AMERICA™

ETA: Actually, I have no clue what to believe. I'm just a Texan screaming at an echo chamber of stupidity. I forgot that just because we've become a self-drinking glass of idiocy doesn't mean that there could have been an external catalyst.

My next sleep paralysis demon

I remember this happening. I remember thinking "who the fuck is trying to buy you? These are your tax dollars." I remember realizing that the problem was giving Biden the W.

Perhaps from their high moral ground, God can hear them asking what part of his plan this is.

When I was in elementary school back in the 1900s, I went to a friend's house in Kerrville. My parents made me promise that I wouldn't tell anyone that I'm Jewish. The old freethinker German towns around San Antonio are such weird, corrupt, stupid places.

He really wants to tickle that dragon’s tail, huh?