fakir @ fakir @lemm.ee

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When you reframe the whole world as a jungle with 8 billion animals, your mantra translates to - don't get hunted, but it's okay to hunt, because that is survival instincts.

Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

I'm referring to kids before even going to school. Ego / identity develops in kids by around age 5, that's when they see the I separate from the rest, they see the difference between what they have and what others have, they find this identity that only belongs to them in this sea of identities and they adjust and they react. I'm not sure if you've talked to kids before age 5, I've raised a few kids, and so I'm talking from experience.

Humans by default want to love one another unconditionally. It is how kids are, it is how our pets are. It is our biases and prejudices and labels and insecurities and traumas that have made our love for one another conditional. The whole world needed a big hug after the pandemic. We didn't get one. We saw powerful propaganda being an effectual tool in sowing discord, and it worked by appealing to our individualism, incorrectly overriding collectivism. With the visible rise of individualism worldwide, we're all shriveling in our lonely corners, unloved. Everyone is, not just those choosing the individualism. The world needs loving. Here's a hug for everyone who reads this comment. I love you unconditionally.

You are a very good person, because you are reflective of your past, conscious of your actions, and have morals that gave you the guilt that you feel. You're alright little one.

Nobody is saying your emotions are invalid. Your feelings are very valid. Here's a hug from me to you to prove the point (I hope it counts, lol). All I'm saying is that anger is instinctive & it clouds our judgement (like we literally can't process any other thoughts while angry). If you calmly think about it, you instantly reacted and insulted me and other poster above you, you put us both in the 'other team', while we were both in your team all along. That my friend is anger leading to more individualism (you alone in your room) over collectivism (same team). That is the exact same weakness that is exploited by those doing the propaganda. And that is why we all need to rise over it.

I feel the mad in you, I sincerely do, but when the whole ocean is moving in a certain way due to underlying currents, it is incorrect to place the blame on any individual droplet, for none of them individually are responsible for it or have the power to control or alter it. Understand that the droplets themselves are moving because of the said currents. The best you can do is accept reality and plan your course ahead. The mad only burns you from inside without solving any problem.

PS: to everyone commenting below me, now mad at me -

1. everyone is accountable for their individual actions and I'm not absolving anyone of their individual responsibilities.
2. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't feel the mad, rather that I get the mad that you feel. I'm just as mad as you.
3. After being mad at all your friends and family for say about a decade, you come to realize that most of them are simple minds susceptible to propaganda, and that propaganda works, and that it works because it appeals to the human instinct of individualism (incorrectly overriding collectivism) using tools like fear and anger. We need to rise over our own anger and other instincts to see all this so we can better move forward.

these 'trolls' are just regular users.

Umm, every human is a regular user. Every regular user comes with these defaults - 1) instinct to react, and 2) defend their worldview. It takes patience and mental effort to not instinctively react, but rather shut up & ponder & reflect. 49 out of 50 want to win the debate but only 1 out of 50 wants to solve the problem.

Sorry, why is that 3rd man the villain of the story, and what do you mean humans fumbled the ball?

What differentiates humans from all animals including apes is our ability to cooperate & coordinate. Cooperation is what has allowed humans to dominate the world. I'm quite optimistic about the future simply because our innate sense of cooperation is all the good we have ever needed to conquer any and all evil the world has managed to create at any point in history all the way to now, and will continue to hold true forever.

My dear friend, life itself is the most engaging play you ever saw.

And I will bet this is the exact way organic growth mostly happens for social media platforms. PS: I do the same

It's way more complicated than that. Say hypothetically, we have an abundance of milk which we don't but assume we do, so everyone can have as much milk as they wanted, and nobody needs to pay for it. First of all, the entire supply chain of milk production, packaging, & distribution must still exist & function efficiently, & maintain quality standards, much like it does in the current developed world. People will still need to work, farmers must still milk the cows, factories must still produce and package, goods must still be transported to and shelved on retail outlets for customers to access it. Someone still needs to clean the retail floor, and someone still needs to engage with the customers, and you need a way to reasonably compensate everyone involved. Second of all, what about milk derivatives that are not abundant, like cheese or butter or your favorite Greek yogurt? They are not in abundance, so you're back to a scarcity economy and you need to figure out how to reasonably distribute them based on need.

It means bare, naked, possession-less.

Not sure why what? Btw I found this to add to the discussion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swpR41pRdMA - it seems market socialism is compatible with Marxism - markets existed before capitalism and will exist in market socialism too, while planning could be a mix of central and local.

So you're saying the fediverse can't outgrow Reddit because it's FOSS and not corporate controlled? I'm saying it will and there's nothing Reddit can do about it.

Okay, at least we're talking about execution now. I'll read the essay, but like unix and fediverse and credit unions exist right now and capitalists can't stop them. They can only compete with them in the free market. They certainly won't be able to stop them once they get even bigger and more mainstream.

As I understand, scientific socialism acknowledges class struggle and current material conditions, but still requires overthrow of capitalist systems. You're suggesting it's easier to convince people to overthrow their banks (and have no personal banking?) rather than switch to a global credit union.

Under Capitalism, even with a unified Credit Union, people still suffer from being at the whims of wealthy Capitalists, and likely wouldn’t be willing to or able to donate en mass.

If you can imagine a global unified credit union, where everyone is equal, with better benefits than traditional banks, you've essentially removed capitalists from banking - think about that. You could do the same with other essential industries like education, healthcare, food etc.

Revolution requires convincing 8 billion people of a possible utopia whereas market socialism exists right now to some degree - FOSS, cooperatives, credit unions etc. are all part of market socialism. 120 million Americans for example are part of credit unions - more than any big bank in America. If we connected all the credit unions so they could talk to each other, you could transact with any branch or ATM - it could rival any big bank. It is harder to convince someone to upend their life for revolution than to convince them the benefits of credit unions over regular banking (again, markets, or in this case banking exists, and we need to engage with it currently). As for donating, many donate to Wikipedia, fediverse etc. When we are not starving, we'll donate it all to a good cause.