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SF has cops? Jk but yeah, Its so obvious that the people making comments like that don't live here. The rage bait is strong with this topic for sure.

Oh man, I wonder if that's how it started! I remember those, with the hot girl devouring the messy burgers. Lol

Oh man he really showed me, by putting more words in my mouth... lol. I'm not going to wrestle with a pig here, Adolf! Enjoy your internet forum mud slinging battles!

From the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

From the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

Read the article:

Breed’s office has said the measure was intentionally designed to be flexible on the treatment component. Treatment options could range from out-patient services to a prescription for buprenorphine, a medication used to treat addiction. They noted it doesn’t include a requirement for participants to remain sober, recognizing that people often lapse in recovery and shouldn’t be kicked out of the program for a slip-up.

No I don't think that and I never said that. Please don't try and put words in my mouth.

To be blunt, I think that the people in California, today, are much better equipped to take on this issue than the people in Florida were 15 years ago.

I only mentioned drug lords because, well, theyre just another obstacle between the addicted and the thing they're addicted to. May as well remove it, and give them a guaranteed quality product. I'd be 100% on board for treating their chronic pain issues. Nobody should have to live with that and I agree, it's a factor that could lead to them returning to using again.

I just wonder though, what happens if they want more than you can give them? How do you wean them off? Is the goal to even wean them off? What stops them from just going somewhere else and buying more than what you give them?

Yeah and sure, its a fair point. Honestly curious though, do you think we should just cut out the middle man drug lords then and just provide the addicted with the fent directly? Like just consider it part of the welfare if that's what they want? Why force them to deal with with stuff that can be cut, adulterated, or what have you?

Jeez yeah thankfully I've never had to experience fent myself. I did get some Molly one time that was cut with meth, and that was a huge eye opener for me... different drug but still.

I do know the back story to one of the victims. He was just a dude that got caught up in the party scene too much. Was always using more and more as time went on. People even told him he was going to die someday. Sure enough, he had another party at his place, and in the early morning, people found him lying on the floor of his room, partially in a closet, dead. Fentanyl OD.

As if that wasn't bad enough, some of the people came back and took shit from his house after they learned he died. Ugh

I have spoken to some on the street though that did indeed get hooked originally from a pain script. It's definitely a thing.

If they don't get help to stop, they eventually progress to a point where they are definitely not using for fun. They have no choice anymore. They have one goal and that is to be high at any cost. I work in a part of SF where there are a lot of them and the things I see them go through are horrendous. It feels like watching state sanctioned torture. They are literally being left to rot. I know two people that have lost a loved one to fentanyl and it really is heartbreaking.

Oh I see. When you said paychecks, I thought you were referring to the welfare checks, and that they will still receive them even while using. That is what I said that the measure provides for.

And no, it doesn't apply to money earned from working at a job because the money people earn at their jobs is not taxpayer money being given with the intent to help someone get back on their feet, like welfare is.

Uh, where are you seeing that? That's not part of the measure, as far as I can tell.

https://voterguide.sfelections.org/local-ballot-measures/measure-f

Yes. That's literrally what the measure says. That's what we voted for.

I think the argument for whether it is morally acceptable to supply someone with drugs, substances, weapons, or whatever else it is that that can kill them or others is always going to be a tough call, and we can sit here on it until the cows come home and still be in the same place honestly.

If you read the article though, it says that the measure doesn't even stop them from receiving the funds, even if they are still using. They can literally use and won't stop receiving receiving the funds, as long as they are open to treatment options.

Thank you! People here getting all riled up without even reading the damn article. What else is new?

Because it's a much more destructive drug, in a completely different state and city, with completely different demographics, political climate, and education level? 15 years into the future?

If there's no way for them to hurt themselves or others, then yes, I say let them buy whatever they want. But what about when those drugs not only are hurting them, but are toxically hurting the same society that gave them the money in the first place? What if they are no longer able to make sound decisions for themselves due to severe mental illness?

If I'm a bartender and I see somebody getting way too intoxicated, to the point they are hurting themselves or others, should I keep serving them more drinks? Or even buy them more myself? Hey man, here's your car keys and a drink! Have a good night!

FYI, there actually is a tax on sugary sodas in this city... because too much can be harmful for everyone.

Yeah, it's like "Hey, look at the great improvement to my life since I've started taking 15 oxys per day! Everyone should be doing this!"

Recreational use is one thing, but continuous, institutionally backed dependence is a whole different ballgame.

That's what happens when you ask questions that people don't want to answer I guess. 🤷‍♂️