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That's what happens when you ask questions that people don't want to answer I guess. 🤷‍♂️

You're right, definitely couldn't hurt to have some Narcan around. I've called 911 when I see people that look like they're in danger, and the emergency services have come pretty quick each time. Many of them tend to use in tents, or place covers over themselves though. This makes it pretty difficult to tell if they're ok. Its very common to see people completely passed out but not dead. You can usually tell if they're actually danger by their skintone. Purple/blueish = bad.

Yeah I wish more cities in this country could devote the same amount of resources that SF devotes to these issues. Many of the addicted people I've talked to are actually from out of state, particularly red states. It shouldn't be up to certain cities to take most of the burden of this national problem, but it seems like that's what is happening. Income inequality is definitely out of control and I agree it seems to be a huge factor in pushing people into these situationss. Multi billionaires just should not exist when we have shit like this happening to to our people.

Haha true about it seeming pretty wholesome. Yeah I definitely wasn't judging him, it was just so random. But I would have felt awful if he thought I was judging him. Luckily I don't think he did, because he went on for another minute or so about it.

So it sounds like that's a yes then. Keep them on drugs and just hope. Hope that they change, all while their minds and bodies are actively being destroyed and whittled down by the drugs, and the Honduran gangs in SF gain money and power... This just doesn't seem to be sustainable. There is a seemingly endless supply of people coming here from all over the country who are addicted to this stuff, and it really fees like it's turning parts of the city into a zombie land. Many people in this city, especially those that live and work in these areas are just fed up. And the votes reflect that.

Thank you for actually answering this. This answered a lot of questions for me. I actually work in a nasty part of the SOMA district of SF and have seen stuff there that I will never forget. 3 ODs have happened outside of my work while I was there so far. I've opened the door to leave and had somebody unconscious just fall in. A 16 year old girl's corpse was defiled after she died from an OD down the alley. People screaming covered in feces and peeling off their own skin. Some of my smaller coworkers have been harassed and chased when trying to enter the building. I've talked to some of the addicts there of course, and many of them have told me they don't care if they die. Most of them are not bad people, just mentally ill and disabled. Some of them definitely get the free needles but they all use outside. There is a needle disposal box around the corner and I've actually seen people breaking it open to steal the needles multiple times...

It just seems like none of this stuff works and we are all bending over backwards to cater to them, and then they end up dying anyway. Many of them are severely mentally ill or damaged from the drugs and it's pretty obvious that they are never going to be anything near functional ever again. It's like letting a 4 year old kid in an adult body addicted to opiates just go out on to the street to fend for themselves. They are not going to make choices that are beneficial to them in the long run, they've literally lost that ability.

After years of putting up with this stuff, I think your average person in the city just gets to the point where they've had enough, and people end up voting to try something else.

Yes.

One of the strangest fetishes I've heard about was from a dude I used to work with. He told me he was into watching girls eating hamburgers. Especially when they take a big bite. He really emphasized that part to me. I feel bad because I remember struggling to keep a straight face and this guy just wanted to open up to me about something he normally hides. Ugh

I dated a woman who said Adam's Apples were one of her favorite features on a man. I wouldn't say it was to the point of being a full blown fetish, but definitely something that she paid attention to. If I had to guess, I'd say she's probably not the only one out there that feels that way.

Holy fuck this is genius and hilarious. His base subconsciously sees themselves in him all the better when he wears his baggy outdated men's wearhouse sack over his depends.

What if the dude was so stressed out by all of this he just said fuck it, I'm done, and blew his brains out?

I'm not saying I think this is true any more than I think Boeing had him killed. Just providing it as a plausible motive for suicide to show that we really need more information to be revealed from a proper investigation before we attach ourselves to assumptions.

Lol of all people, you're pinning this on Kamala Harris? Wasn't she a prosecutive attorney before she was DA? Wtf did she do that "made it like this"?

Where do they end up in that system? Is the idea to just keep them safely on drugs for the rest of their lives since treatment rarely works? Safely locked away in a shelter, dependent on opiates?

Agree with preventing addiction being a much better option, when available. It really sucks to see these people being given this slow torturous death, or being otherwise irreversibly damaged, all while ruining the city and sense of safety for others.

What would you say the proven tactics are that we could apply here, and where have they been proven?

Agreed. It is a revolutionary city. It's where some of the world's best free thinkers go to, well, change the world. This is what the natural process of societal evolution looks like at the forefront. Some things stick, some don't. Compromise and understanding are critical in a functioning democracy, and no one side is going to get everything they want, even here.

The Inclusionary Housing Program requires developers to set aside a percentage of the housing as affordable.

Even if it is not classified as affordable housing, it is still more housing which the city needs regardless.

Also, another measure that passed in the previous vote was for a tax on vacant units it multi-unit buildings. If they don't at least compete with market rate, they will suffer.

So basically keep doing what we're doing then and hope that things magically change? Many of the people suffering from addiction here actually are from other towns and cities all over the country. They end up staying here because their addiction is supported, and they never escape the cycle.

One of the supervisors that endorsed this measure, Matt Dorsey, is a recovered addict himself. I'd think that he would have a better idea than myself of what works and what doesn't.

Honestly, I think it should be a Federal Government issue at this point because it is affecting people and destroying lives all over this country.

Yeah, not that that's ideal, but at least the OCs weren't turning them into permanently mentally and physically crippled zombies, or suddenly killing them like fent does.

That same measure also allows the use of drones and other technology to follow and track the suspects, so may not necessarily mean more automobile persuits. We'll have to wait and see I guesa.

Yeah he definitely seems like a bit of a loose cannon that only has a platform due to his wealth. Not that it makes it excusable, but he did issue an apology for what thats worth. I definitely don't think that the majority of voters agree with the remarks he made to the city council members.

However, I do think that due to the prominent quality of life crimes, homelessness and drug use in recent years, a lot of the voters in San Francisco have become disenfranchised with Progressive politics, viewing them as failed experiments.

There were 627 OD deaths in San Francisco in 2022. 806 OD deaths in 2023. I'd call that a failed system that needs a new approach. I don't know what exactly we need to do, but it seems that giving people free reign to go down the path of a synthetic opiate addiction is mostly giving them a slow painful death. This may not be everyone's problem now, but if this is allowed to continue destroying people in this country it WILL become everyone's problem at some point.