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I mean, fuck all those other corners then

The whole “but those cashiers can get better jobs” line is such BS in a society like the US. It is just as likely that the cashier’s life might be seriously negatively impacted by losing a job and they might not be able to find another that works for them. I don’t know what will happen to that cashier when they lose their job, I am not in their shoes and I am tired of people being so callous towards destroying jobs like this. We don’t need to get rid of every cashier job to make society more efficient, it’s just what antisocial people want and what greedy business execs want.

There are so many other places we can increase the efficiency of society (primarily by taxing the rich!) that firing cashiers down to the minimal number that can functionally manage a market front is absurd. It is like train freight companies “needing” to cut costs and have only one conductor on the train by themselves instead of two because the modern economy demands it… and it just doesn’t pass the smell test. A half mile long freight train isn’t an efficient enough movement of massive amounts of material to just say to hell with it, let’s pay two people to drive the train just in case one becomes incapacitated in an emergency?

I think the real question is why is the job of someone who oversees the process of members of a community collecting their food and paying for it so fucking miserable in the first place that people wouldn’t want to work that job for a fair wage? It shouldn’t on the face of it be a miserable job, though for sure a physical one. Why is the work environment so miserable that most people derisively assume nobody should be happy working this job for the rest of their lives?

Yeah there are a bunch of similar games not sure how they compare directly to the war game series. Check out:

Warno

Graviteam Tactics games

Call To Arms

Steel Division 2

Regiments

Also check out Armored Brigade which is a bit different but is a favorite of mine.

Yeah I am not talking replacing a tank as a mobile machine gun nest/cannon used for creating and exploiting holes in a defensive line during an assault, a normal direct fire tank is as you say better suited for that. I am talking about normal tanks having an armored mobile close range vertical missile launch system that also manages unmanned surveillance vehicles as a compliment for extremely high threat situations as well as edgecases where cannon isn’t ideal.

When people say the tank isn’t going to die anytime soon I get what they are saying it is easy to sit in an armchair and speculate but I just don’t see how direct fire tanks make sense operating without a vehicle nearby with the capacity to hit non-LOS targets with guided missiles.

Right and when you step back and think about it, why create a conversation system that demands so much admin for moderators? A reddit-like system obviously still desperately needs good human moderation but the moment to moment guidance of conversation focus doesn’t require a human mod to always interject to refocus things, just an engaged and genuine audience.

I don’t expect tanks to go away, I just think in many urban environments or closer range engagements (which for a tank, “close” is still a pretty damn far distance) a vertical launched missile system contained within armored vehicle with guidance by a suite of unmanned surveillance vehicles makes way more sense than a big direct fire cannon.

I think the problem is mainly recovery and launching of unmanned vehicles in a quick, reliable matter that doesn’t expose the crew, or some long haul ability for the unmanned vehicles to loiter for extended periods… which may prove to be a very big problem idk.

Yeah a trophy system that detonates antitank missiles before impact definitely provides a deterrent but I’m not so sure that those systems will keep functioning after the tank has been attacked by any significant caliber weapon or artillery. It also seems like a sensible counter to just launch multiple dummy missiles. How smartly can a trophy system really differentiate between real threats and false ones? I feel like direct fire tanks will always be a thing but it seems odd to not pair them with the kind of anti armor vehicle I am thinking of at this point unless the tank expects to encounter no armor.

To be honest even for small communities I just find discord an extremely difficult format to follow., especially because search of previous conversations is an afterthought (????!???!??).

I think it is easy to miss how powerful the reddit type thread structure is among the noise of how toxic and shitty reddit itself can be. I love lemmy because I think the reddit type thread structure is in most ways a direct upgrade to message boards/forums. The problem with message boards was that as a thread gets longer the probability increases steadily to 100% that the thread will be utterly derailed by people arguing over the most trivial detail of the conversation. This seems like a weird thing to empathize, but consistently I would find a thread on a message board that felt like a goldmine of interesting information and ALWAYS I would find to my consternation that the last three pages to the thread were people arguing over some stupid fact one of the commenters used incorrectly early on in the thread to make some ancillary side point.

The Reddit structure smoothly siphons off these side conversations and allows the wisdom of the crowd to direct the focus of the conversation through upvotes and downvotes. Does the Reddit structure get petty, toxic and judgemental? Yes, but I think it still qualifies as a near direct improvement on messageboards if the objective of the messageboard is to be a curated source of expert/niche conversations. Lemmy is awesome, you can learn so much just from reading quality comments sections.

Definitely moving into an era where armor is near useless if your enemy has effective antitank weapons and there isn’t extremely tight integration between unmanned surveillance vehicles and your armor. I suppose someone could have shot the UAV down here, but if the IFV doesn’t let the pressure up you can’t exactly sit there and gaze around in the sky looking for a tiny little robot while a 25mm autocannon on treads hunts you.

Not trying to extrapolate too much here, the tank was by itself and likely had a panicked, poorly trained crew but still just imagining the commander in the bradley being able to watch where the tank turret is pointed in real-time and peak only when it wasn’t looking the right direction definitely seems like an utterly decisive advantage (if they were able to do this), especially in an environment that isn’t a full scale battle with so much chaos that the UAV would be destroyed or the information useless. Heck in this situation if the tank started to raise its turret to hit the drone with its coaxial, and the drone is in close contact with the Bradley than that is just a perfect opportunity for the Bradley to attack right?

I know people say the death of the main battle tank is greatly exaggerated but I think the role of the tank will vastly shift towards emphasizing integration with UAVs like this over most other factors. I know missiles aren’t the same thing as cannons but I don’t understand why an APC with a complement of javelin type missiles couldn’t just sit behind cover and annihilate direct fire armor vehicles with a suite of drones providing targeting. It wouldn’t work at great ranges but for a situation like this a cannon kind of seems a pretty inefficient weapon.

I don't have proof of why discord is getting shoved down our throats everywhere but I think it is probably in large part because there is a fuckton of investor money behind trying to make discord swallow up every online community it can and they have kept costs to customers/shitty behavior dialed back until they establish an unassailable dominance over the market. Everyone just thinks it is great and it doesn't cost much money so what could possibly go wrong??

What is yikes about hanging around with furries?

Because I don’t see a strong argument for piracy coming at a direct, immutable cost to artists. I also don’t see a strong argument that piracy reduces the chance fans will pay for art when the art is made decently easy to purchase and is being sold at a reasonable price. Of course there are complexities to this discussion but ultimately when you compare it to massive corporations wholesale stealing massive amounts of works of art with the specific intention of undercutting and destroying the value of said art by attempting to commodify it I think the difference is pretty clear. One of these things is a morally arguable choice by one individual, the other is class warfare by the rich.

Joe shmo torrents an album from a band they like, maybe they buy the album in the future or go to a band concert and buy merch. Joe shmo hasn’t mined some economic gain out of a band and then moved on, Joe shmo has become more of a committed fan because they love the album. Meta steals from a band so that they can create an algorithm that produces knockoff versions of the band’s music that Meta can sell to say a company making a commercial who wants music in that style but would prefer not to pay an actual human artist an actual fair price for the music. These are not the same.

(AI doesn’t create convincing fake songs yet necessarily, but you get my point as it applies to other art that AI can create convincing examples of, books and writing being a prime example)

I didn’t realize at first, my bad. I realize that makes a lot of my post redundant but I think my point still stands.

So much hypocrisy that a massive corporation can actually steal like this and it is more socially acceptable than torrenting.

What a bunch of losers, thinking they are making the future…… by stealing from as many artists as they can? How do you convince yourself you are doing the right thing when what you are doing is scaling up the theft of art from small artists to a tech company sized operation?

And how much oxygen has been wasted over the years by music companies pushing the narrative that “stealing” from artists with torrenting is wrong? This is so much worse than stealing (and a million times worse than torrenting) though because the point of the theft is to destroy the livelihood of the artist who was stolen from and turn their art into a cheap commodity that can be sold as a service with the artist seeing none of the monetary or cultural reward for their work.

Pretty bold to charge a t-90 with a bradley. It looked like they were moving laterally a lot to keep obscuring the hull behind cover and making tracking them difficult. I wonder if they were confident their optics were better or something so that they knew they could keep acquiring the target faster than the t-90 could . I also wonder if they knew the t-90 was in some way damaged and unable to fight back effectively.

Still, seems like a pretty quick way to die.

I am gonna give you some lesser known suggestions.

Chronicon - 2d Diablo like

Heroes Of Hammerwatch - same but procedurally generated levels

Grim Dawn - 3D Diablo like

Also I would check out Monster Hunter World or Rise, they aren’t exactly what you are looking for but the looting and upgrading loop might really be up your alley.

Oh yeah, what about Mount And Blade?

I think that is a good and healthy stance. No matter if it is right or not, I consider the survival of the idea of the fediverse as a separate space than corporate social networks requires there to be communities on the fediverse that reject corporate entities on principle.

To use books as a metaphor, let’s say bookstores pioneered the idea of spaces that people can get books at. This is basically what happened with social networks (I know there are probably wrinkles to this but whatever).

The fediverse may look like a bookstore superficially. We could think of it is a building with people dedicated to managing a large selection of books. People go in and out to get books. Trucks periodically come with large orders of books and those books are then distributed over time to people that visit the building.

The fediverse isn’t a bookstore though, it is a library and it’s important that we don’t let that fact be forgotten.

Nothing about the technology of the fediverse is really that special (though it is very impressive I am sure), it is the human structure and the idea of the fediverse as an entity that makes it special. In the same way that the difference between a bookstore and a library can’t really be found in different patterns of delivery trucks, book rentals or the arrangement of bookshelves in the building, neither can the difference between the fediverse and existing corporate social networks truly be found in the technical specifications. At the end of the day, the real difference is in what humans see as the goals of a library vs a bookstore, i.e. the real difference is how the people involved in creating and maintaining the fediverse conceptualize the fediverse itself.

Which isn’t to say I am against certain parts of the fediverse having companies involved, but it is very important that we win the ideological battle of defining social networks as communities to be maintained (which may or may not be a paying job for those involved) for the betterment of society, as a public service, not as an entity conceived to pursue profit.

I think it is fantastic that communities are immediately rejecting meta on principle. Nobody, no matter their position on this, should be genuinely interested in meta’s first real attempt at joining the fediverse. It is just a silly way to go about interacting with an entity that has far more to lose than you do and has demonstrated time and time again that it cannot be trusted to tell the truth or act in good faith.

We don’t have to grow at a viral rate, sure the fediverse being much larger is probably a good thing for the world and thus pushing for it can be seen as a moral imperative, but let’s not kid ourselves, this is social media and memes, this isn’t some life giving essential service. It is ok if we don’t grow as absolutely fast as possible. The people that the fediverse is truly most life changing for anyways are the people most deeply hurt and traumatized by awful experiences on corporate social media where the corporation at best is neutral about bigotry, death threats, harassment etc….. *sigh *

To bring it back to libraries, look at how the best libraries in communities have grown to be far more than just places people can borrow books from. They are fluid community spaces where interesting ideas can take hold and flourish. Bookstores never really grow past the idea of selling books, except maybe to have a cafe attached. The best modern day libraries on the other hand are spaceships of community (that happen to be stuffed with books) in a wasteland of private and commercial real estate, they are engines of culture.

Let’s not let the fediverse get stuck on just being a better bookstore…

kick em back to the curb

I’d believe that

And make no mistake, either the fediverse stays so tiny companies ignore it other than what Meta is doing now (to pre-empty EU legislation so they can point at supporting open interoperable formats), or we have to accept commercial enterprises will flood the fedi-space anyways if it takes off.

I agree, the entrance of large corporations into the fediverse is nearly inevitable and I am ok with that. What matters is how and when they do it and how that changes the politics, identity and community of the fediverse. WE have the cards because as you say corporate social networks that basically have monopolies are going to eventually be forced by regulation (unless we are on even shittier timeline than I thought) to join the fediverse or do something similar.

Think about the difference though between welcoming in meta to the fediverse like they are some cool popular kid that decided to join our lame party and now everyone wants to come to the party vs rejecting meta because we know their offer isn’t genuine and making them come back later to the fediverse in a much more precarious situation where they HAVE to work something out with us or they face geometrically growing legal and populist hostility that threatens the existence of their company?

Which situation is more likely to result in a relationship more advantageous to normal people and communities on the fediverse? Which one puts more power in the hands of small communities and regular people on the fediverse? Which one is less likely to result in meta hijacking the public’s perception of the fediverse and subverting the reasons that the original denizens of the fediverse came here for?