douglasg14b @ douglasg14b @lemmy.world

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Exactly. This whole argument is just allowing corporate greed and manufactured resource scarcity to win.

Working class trying to remove rights and privileges from the working class because the ruling class creates a situation that encourages it.

Pretty much agree with the last statement.

Disagree with the first statement. Given that the survival of our species is one reliant on us not only having children but also raising them in a way that improves our world and doesn't make it worse.

The later of course is the Crux of the problem. A society that doesn't encourage parents to be good parents and just shits on them instead is not a society that wants to survive.

Yep. You essentially summed up my point.

There's a difference between data display for academia and data display for the general public.

The general public is generally not well educated on understanding the data that's presented to them. Big change in line up or down regardless of scale means big change. It could be from 100 to 100.8, but if the scale is zoomed in then that could be presented as a +80% change.

And often is and sometimes with the axes removed and shown on the news specifically to be manipulative.

I really don't understand why I'm being downvoted above.... This was literally part of my grade school education on identifying and avoiding misinformation. And later on, around how the general public understands data visualizations. They are largely understood at a glance and taken at face value without reading the axes.

This is a easy way to push misinformation. Not by actually pushing real misinformation but by taking advantage of the general public's tendency to not read it carefully.

Which is manipulative. Which is why it's taught in some places as part of the standard educational curriculum...

This the most tech illiterate take....

These are called query parameters. The standard part of the HTTP spec.

A huge part of the internet uses these simply as a way to instruct a page to display certain data or to display a particular view or layout of that data.

Calling for an extension to get rid of these it's like calling for an extension to get rid of headers because websites use them to pass metadata in the same manner.

Edit: that was harsh my apologies.

Way too much for sure.

Just the business internet to get the foot in the door for a static IP 5x's the cost of my Internet.

It's actually cheaper to just have DC IPs and proxy through hosted containers. Which is kind of crazy.

Negative aspect is that DC IPs aren't treated very nice.

No I think someone saying Google it is still worse.

The former is being intentionally unhelpful.

Your example is being unintentionally unhelpful.

Intentional malicious behavior is far worse than negligence.

Kek.

That could never happen!

looks at western countries and tik toc

Social media is a theater of war. Manipulating citizens of a country slowly and insidiously over time is a huge win that inflicts no casualties on your own populace.

Honestly nuclear isn't a bad deal for that. Clean, sustainable, safe, compared to non-renewables.

Though old ass reactors seem sus.

Using compressed axes to display data was literally "How to identify misleading statistics 101" in middle school for us....

It seems fine to you but for the majority of people it's misleading most people look at the lines and the relative distance between them to make judgment calls. Not literally the entire point of graphs, to visually display information.

This is a well-known effect and is taught in pretty much every major curriculum.

I honestly don't have an answer to that but from my understanding running a web tunnel from your home IP can have negative consequences in relation to your address being flagged as a public proxy.

With the potential to be added to certain automatic ban lists. But more likely than not you'll be added to a list of potentially untrustable addresses which means you'll be doing a lot more CAPTCHAS in the future

I'm not sure what argument you're making here yes of course parents should be teaching their children these skills instead of letting them go on social media.

How is that relevant to the argument that I'm making though?

This is obviously not occurring today so how do you expect it to occur tomorrow when we make no changes today?

You do realize that the children of tomorrow will be raised by the children of today right? And as we let the children of today become addicted to social media and don't provide them with the tools skills and safety to protect themselves from social media how do you expect them to teach their children how?

Sure I may be cognizant of this but again, as stated previously in these messages...., this is a systemic problem. You cannot solve a systemic problem by putting the burden of solution on each individual involved in the problem. Systemic problems require systematic solutions, this is largely an inarguable point.

Well yeah that's a problem of course but that doesn't negate the reasoning I stated in other areas of this thread.

I'm not promoting trust in a central authority or government here that's a separate problem that exists on an entirely different plane.

Yes you who probably has some amount of critical thinking skills can do that. The majority of young generational individuals today, cannot. Which largely negates the "well they should get gud" argument. It's a systematic problem, you can't solve systematic problems that way....

I'm not going to repeat myself though, my last paragraph in the previous message is a fairly succinct tldr. This is a principal that's been applied and works across industries, and is critically important for building "safe systems"

Safe systems being systems that are designed to be operated and interacted with safely. There is a practical infinite number of safe systems that you can find examples of to further drive my point home. We can design systems that provide safety from human behavior and failings, the largest obstacle is usually both the political aspect and the aspect of individuals who refuse to acknowledge that safe systems are important.

Stop feeding the trolls...

End users really need to just be more skeptical.

That's.... The opposite of a solution.

This is how you make systemic problems worse, not better.

Humans are largely morons, you can't fix this. But you can fix the systems they interact with to avoid their vulnerabilities from being taken advantage of.

Side note.

Social media is now a theater of war, with adults and children alike being the weapons created by way of social media propaganda.

Children, who are the most likely to be affected and manipulated, who are also primary targets due to said vulnerabilities should be excluded from these platforms for this reason alone.

This is a problem that's growing at a scale to affect entire countries. Countries with populations vulnerable to social media targeting propaganda, astroturfing, and manipulation are vulnerable on the world stage.

Making this a growing national security concern for any country.

It most definitely is possible in federated networks to be clear.

Federated networks are extremely vulnerable to bots. And "organic" online narrative is easily manipulated with bots and bot driven content.

We see this in centralized platforms like Reddit which have mature and centralized bot detection and control mechanisms which are largely ineffective in an ideal scenario for them to be the most effective.

The only saving grace for federated services right now is that they are simply far too small to be worth the time and money to manipulate narratives on. The user bases are infinitesimal in comparison to mainstream social media.

This changes if their popularity skyrockets. The only thing it takes to manipulate opinions and narrative is money and a vulnerable target. The fediverse is largely a vulnerable target and current mega corporations have more than enough money to do what they need done a million times over.

All the things you're saying that kids need to learn about are things that they do not and cannot and will not learn about in closed wall garden environments ran by corporations. Which constitutes an ever-growing majority of children's "experience" with the internet. "The Internet" to many is "Instagram" or "Facebook" or "Tic Tok". It doesn't mean anything else other than a portal to access their addiction through.

They won't learn about online threats or how to critically think or how to avoid being manipulated.

Young users funnel it into centralized corporate ran networks are abused for financial gain using carefully and intentionally crafted content designed over decades to take advantage of the human psyche algorithmically shoved down their throats until they are addicted.

This isn't the internet children need to be on, it's not the Internet, it's just a corporate controlled environment that just so happen to exist along the same wires as the rest of the internet.

As such I don't see where your argument has any room to stand.

Not teaching them these skills leaves them more vulnerable to online threats

Algorithmically & bot driven social media IS the "online threat" these days.

The only skills that they are learning are how to adapt to fit that corporate environment, which is a transitive state that often comes with the cost of actual life skills.

Kids need to be on the internet I agree with this but their use of the internet needs to be as romantically hued as you state it. Which is unfortunately not the reality we see today.

It used to be valuable to explore the internet but the internet has largely been corrupted by corporate greed.

By and large the experience Young folks have on the Internet is almost entirely through applications meant to abuse and take advantage of their underdeveloped brains. Behavior driven by algorithmic pressure.

This is bad news bears for society.

There isn't a whole lot of exploring to be done for the grand majority of kids on the internet. Instead they will be classified bucketed and used for further financial gain by a select few corporations.

It's frozen for features and changes. Even bugs & issues are shrugged off and closed unless they are big. PRs from others as well I've seen.

The maintainer is semi active, but they're kind of a dick, and tend to minimize problems and downplay others in ways that are borderline toxic.

It's a shame :/

I like how you just conveniently ignore the part about a dictator oppression.

The key word here is oppression.

A country that is closing its eyes and deserves what they're going to get is the US. In 20 or 30 years when the US is an authoritarian oppressive State then at that point the people don't have a choice, just like they don't in Russia today.

Authoritarian oppressive states don't just let the people think what they want to think. You are groomed and indoctrinated the moment you receive education until the day you die. The easiest way to control a populace is for the populace to not even know they're being controlled.

A key factor to that is limiting and restricting access to outside information. Which is what Russia does which is why the Tor project is so important