deaf_fish @ deaf_fish @lemm.ee

An Embedded Software Engineer who does game dev as a hobby.

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Okay, even if I give you the unexpected behavior point. The readability problem remains. Switch statements or tables will work just fine and are easier to read.

To be clear, I am fine with single ternary operations. I think nested ternary operations are harder to read and follow.

Well, if you assume ternary operations work the same in PHP as in c and attempted to write the code demoed by this meme. You would end up with unexpected behavior. Maybe I should have said unexpected behavior instead of unsafe behavior.

There is usually a safer and more readable way to do what you want to do by chaining ternaries in most languages.

Your feelings are valid. I wonder though, would you put up this level of defense for posts making fun of arbitrary parts of non PHP languages?

You are not your favorite language. And I find most criticisms of most languages to be very valid. I don't think the intent of OP is to insult all PHP programmers. It's okay to like a language that has problems. All languages do.

Never heard of that before. It wouldn't take much for me to believe it though. Anyone have a link?

Proprietary software just feels gross, low quality, and opaque. I want to feel like I've actually got some kind of control over the computers I own. Windows was feeling more out of touch with software developers. Installing a compiler in Linux is super easy compared to Windows.

Interesting! Do you think they would take Embedded System Software Engineers?

Cats deeply understand that their primary purpose in life is to increase entropy.

Ok, but why do people deserve to get paid for their work? That seems like a moralist statement. Is there deeper rational supporting that statement, or is that a moral imperative for you?

Edit: to be clear I'm not disagreeing with the premise, I just want your reasoning for arriving at it.

I completely disagree. Why are there laws to prevent people from killing each other? Why would we as a society bother to make that a thing? It's morality. It's the basis of everything.

If the most common moral framework didn't hold that human life is valuable. Then we wouldn't make those laws. It wouldn't make sense for those laws to be on the books.

And yes the laws do and should pick winners and losers. If you are a serial killer, the laws are not in your favor, your a loser.

No, I am not making a slippery slope argument. I am just trying to understand your moral framework, or see if you have any.

Yes, lets talk about laws, maybe that will help. Ok, laws are not just some magic thing that happens, they are developed by society, right? In fact you can argue that laws are related to morality. In a truly democratic society laws would derivative of morality, right?

Humans develop constructs like laws and capitatim to help us do things. So it is important for us to not derive our morality from existing structures, because if we did, we could never evolve them in a way to help us do more/better things. I know this is kind of abstract and I am sorry about that.

So you are using existing laws and economic systems to argue for the correctness of the current laws and economic systems. Using this approach I could argue that that Feudalism is pretty awesome because it is way better than the stone age, etc...

This is why I am wondering if you have given any thought to your moral frame work, or if you have just accepted the status quo and are trying to justify it because you don't have a framework.

Sorry, I deleted my comment because I realized that I misread the post I was replying to.

To respond to this post, yes, that is problematic if you care about the workability of the system, but if you have morals, then weather or not the system works is moot.

I'm suspicious of burning man culture. It's not a completely isolated example and there is too much influence that could leak from/to external society for it to be a real test case. I am not saying it wouldn't work, just that it's current successes have been biased.

Ok, so it sounds like in your case, the market is morality, if I am understanding you. So you would be cool with buying and selling slaves and paying hit men to kill people? All that would be good because everyone was paid?

Have you though about this stuff seriously?

Wait, what?! Morality doesn't play into it?! Well, then why do people need to be compensated? You can just stab them after they make the thing you want.

I'm almost afraid to tell you that bullets are cheaper than most things you can get by shooting people who carry said things.

Also, "grow your own food". Sure, on what land? Is no one going to stop me from uprooting crops on land owned by others so I can grow my own? What tools will I use? Do I make my own from sticks and rocks, or do I take the tools owned by others?

What your proposing is insane. I think you need to touch some grass.

Yes, you are correct, food is not free. So does that mean it is good (per your morality) that people starve? The military is super expensive, but that hasn't stopped us from deciding all Americans need protection and making that happen.

Capitalism has done some good stuff, but it has also done some bad stuff too. It's not an all or nothing proposition. I think if the majority of us agree everyone should have access to food, money should be a detail to solve, not a barrier.

The question is, do you think food should be free? Have you ever thought about it seriously?

I think it is interesting that when talking about systems designed to organize people, their labor, and what to produce, that you are blaming people. It's kind of like blaming water for flowing down hill when you want it to go up into your kitchen sink. Maybe use pipes and pressurized water instead.

If these systems don't work, the issues are with the systems and not with the people.

This is me and it is very annoying.

I get a strong negative feeling. Ok, what was that about? Crickets and a strong negative feeling...

The fact that it did says something about how educated most people are on the topic.

It's still fun to enter competition even if these OP people are in it.