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Because you don't need a passport? It's not something everyone needs or has.

Read the article you walnut.

I won’t allow my young kids to be given

That's a page from Gender Queer. Which is a book for 18 and up. Nobody is trying to give it to young kids you absolute spanner.

We are a hardy bunch. But things are going to get very ugly.

It's explained in the article. So I will say it again: "Maybe read the article?"

Not every citizen has a passport. And they usually aren't free either.

As others have said, voting is important. But also I'd guess that direct action will play a large role in the next few decades.

Anyway, I will stop arguing. Apparently labeling google engineers as proletariat is an important topic in Lemmy, that users do with extra passion

You are the one who came in and insisted on specific labels. People disagree with you. Don't pretend this was our passion, it was yours.

You keep saying that it's bad, but you haven't actually said why. Just this nebulous idea that standing together is somehow bad. Worker's rights benefit all workers. And the more people demanding them, the better. Even more so if the people demanding them have greater access to the resources needed to actually make a difference.

Never once has "divided we conquer" been true.

I didn't say they didn't work. I said that their livelihood isn't dependant on labouring.

I don't know what you gain out of gatekeeping the working class. The whole invention of the middle class has been a tool by the owning class to separate the working class.

As long as their livelihood is dependent on labouring, they're working class. You should show some solidarity, rather than trying to divide the working class.

The line dividing working class from owning class is not their monthly salary. It's their relationship to capital. Do they work for their living, or do they own for their living?

Oh, yes capitalism has optimised my devices. But I think that's often bad thing. Because many of those optimisations weren't for my benefit. In fact a huge number of them are directly detrimental to me.

The tech was an open platform focused on solving problems of the people working on it. And then capitalism "optimised" it by adding advertising and spyware, locking it down, removing the ability to control or repair it, and artificially obseleting it in order to drive further sales. All at the expense of the user, and the environment.

The optimisations also often removed user choice and product differentiation, rather than added them.

This I believe can only happen under capitalism.

I don't think I can imagine a statement more false than this.

Capitalism increasing the availability of choice, only so long as those choices are profitable. If they are not profitable, those choices are actively removed. I used to be able to find multitudes of devices that were user-maintainable, had replaceable batteries and expandable storage. But those choices are not profitable, and so they get removed.

Technology would look different under a different economic system. Likely in some ways worse, but in other ways better.

Technological development is not uniquely the product of capitalism.

I don’t understand what the problem is.

The fact that "Voter ID in England led to racial and disability discrimination".

Maybe read the article?

capitalism isn’t the cause of any bleakness you may be seeing.

Bullcrap.

Greed and more importantly cronyism in the government is the real issue

Greed and cronyism which is directly incentivised and rewarded under capitalism.

Both you, and OP, are implicitly arguing that you should be able to both fuck off AND have the benefits of society.

No. I'm not. I'm telling you I'm not. Despite whatever nonsense you are hallucinating, that isn't the argument I'm making.

Society can be structured differently. So resources can be distributed more fairly. So everyone can enjoy more of their time. Instead of a greedy few getting most of the benefit at the expense of the rest of us.

Anyway. Have a nice day.

Bite me, asshole.

Go be miserable somewhere else

You are using an open source platform, developed without a profit incentive, running on one of the most impactful publicly-funded infrastructure developments of our lifetimes, which is also powered by near countless free-and-open-source tech stacks.

You are on our turf, buddy.

You go somewhere else.

That is what OP is saying.

No it isn't. That's something you have hallucinated.

They want to know what we’d do if we weren’t forced to sell most of our time.

There's a lot of options between having to spend the majority of our time dedicated to work, and not cooperating at all.

Not to mention most of the work we do isn't for the benefit of our communities, but for the benefit of a tiny handful of already-incredibly rich assholes.

I agree. But again, that’s not what OP is talking about.

That would be convenient for your argument, but actually, you do not get to decide what other people are talking about based on what is most convenient for you to argue against.

Let me just explain something very simple here.

No. Sod off with your "explanation" you condescending prick.

Literally just doing the thing I mentioned in my last comment, making "the mistake of attributing every advancement of human living conditions to capitalism, all while conveniently omitting all of the horrible conditions capitalism also creates."

What’s a society that isn’t premised on cooperation?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Because nowhere has anyone said they oppose cooperation.

Capitalism, communism, and essentially every other form of society are simply differences in how the money is divided up.

Boy howdy that seems like an ENORMOUS difference.