cogman @ cogman @lemmy.world

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I'm pretty much the same way, though I do throw in a bit of fine salt on occasion for the iodine content. I don't eat a ton of seafood which makes getting the rda of iodine difficult.

Salt :D

Lots of home cooks are shy with seasoning in general (but especially salt). While not impossible, it's fairly hard to over season stuff.

That's why if you ever look at "miracle season alls" the first ingredients are usually something like "Salt, pepper, garlic powder, onion powder".

If you want to be amused, look at these ingredients lists. Often the only difference is what food coloring is used.

For example.

https://www.heb.com/product-detail/tony-chachere-s-original-creole-seasoning/172479

We have an ally next door, Jordan.

We'd probably have more allies if we dropped support.

What we are doing is equivalent to us deciding to support North Korea and being shocked that all of a sudden we lose regional support from just about everyone.

Israel, especially with an ongoing genocide, is toxic to stability and alliances. It isolates more than it gives strategic advantage.

If it happens, it will almost certainly be around oct. No use blowing such a popular move in the middle of an election year.

Israel got in hot water internationally the last time for doing exactly the same thing. So blaming Hamas is an easy trick to pull to try and detract from the ongoing mass starvation they are directly responsible for.

It's really gross.

They did the exact same thing when they first blew up a hospital. Then they proceeded to blow up all the hospitals after the major news outlets stopped covering it.

Ditto with murdering literally over 100 journalists to try and suppress independent coverage of their ongoing genocide.

You can't trust fascists propaganda to accurately report fascist genocide.

Yup, similar to the square root of two and Euler's number.

These are numbers defined by their properties and not their exact values. In fact, we have imaginary numbers that don't have values and yet are still extremely useful because of their defined properties.

I haven’t had any opportunities to actually have a discussion about it with anyone else other than online

Consider why you made the statement that former members distance themselves and that church members just want to be friends. You haven't actually experienced or seen that right? So what made you assume that is what is going on?

One of the more difficult parts about being a former member is the assumptions about why we left. Obviously, everyone is unique, but rarely have I heard an active member actually say the reasons I've most heard from my family and friends and online that have left.

It would be a bit like me spouting off the lies from an evangelical anti-mormon tract as if they were fact.

To be clear, I really do appreciate that you are being open and honest here. I'm not trying to be a dick or to deconvert you. I'm mostly just pushing for understanding of people that have different views from you. After all, to the root of this conversation and why I'm so against trump, it's that the politics he represents is ultimately that of intolerance. The best way to fight intolerance is to foster understanding.

I can’t see how it could be possible to support Trump and sincerely believe in those commandments at the same time.

It's not hard to see. Trump courts christian nationalism pretty heavily and that allows a lot of religious people to overlook his foibles. Sort of a "Who cares if he's immoral, he'll let us have bible reading class in school".

Unfortunately, many former members leave under difficult circumstances and distance themselves from their friends who remain in the Church. We would love nothing more than to stay in contact with them and still be friends.

Many former mormons, like myself, are distanced by their "friends" as soon as they leave. It's a two way street and all the responsibility isn't on a single party.

Often times that "friendship" is contingent on church attendance and belief.

Have you ever asked a former member why they left? What did they say?

If you are in idaho (like I am) please go sign a petition for the ballot initiative on ranked choice voting and open primaries.

https://openprimariesid.org/sign-the-petition

Especially if you are in rural idaho! In order to get on the ballot we need enough people from every county to sign the petition. The rural counties are the hardest places to get signees.

This is so important. And you can see how important by how the far right idiots are reacting to it. They are TERRIFIED of it because they know they can't get elected if RCV is implemented.

This is the best way to make idaho politics a bit more sane.

Oh wow, I need to update my mental facts here.

https://www.americansurveycenter.org/newsletter/trumps-problem-with-mormon-voters-is-getting-worse/

Early demographics for Mormons was something like 70% approval which had them as one of the most trumpy demographics. However, it looks like that approval has taken a significant nose dive. With a majority now disfavoring him.

If I can ask. Did you previously support Trump? If so, what changed to make you despise him? Also, in the up coming election what are you planning on doing (assuming both Biden and Trump are the nominees, which seems obvious at this point).

I have known anti trump Mormons, but my understanding is they were the minority (apparently not).

Your impression is correct. I knew it was bad for exJW but hoping it wasn't still pretty universally bad.

Sorry to hear you had to go through that. I can't imagine how big of a mindfuck that would be coupled with the mindfuck of "everything I was taught was a lie". Just the latter was one of the worst experience of my life.

I hope you are in a much better place now.

Can't stop the power sharing once you are dead.

I've no clue who 2.0 will be. Could be someone not on the stage at the moment, could be someone like Jim Jordan or Matt Gaetz. There's lots of options to be sorted out after Trump dies.

I view it sort of like the situation with the major rightwing propagandists. When Rush Limbaugh died, that wasn't the end of rightwing propaganda, there were already new shitheads in the rafters like Tucker Carlson that'd eaten up the space.

With Tucker off the air, there's now Jessie Waters (or whatever) doing his part. Before that there was bill oriely.

Trump might not be setting up a dynasty but that's not really what I'm concerned about, I'm concerned about him setting up fascism that's willing to glom onto the next leader like it glomed on to him.

Oh hey, I'm exmormon myself! Isn't it fun how these high demand religions drive you into researching what makes cults in the first place :D

We sort of have an analogy within mormonism though it's a bit different. For mormons, the issue is almost the opposite, rather than no ever having an official stance on things mormonism has had official stances on just about everything but then it's slowly walked them back and distanced itself from the wacky belief. However, that means that the rank and file still remember, hold onto, and retell things that the org itself would rather go away. For example, blacks and the priesthood. Mormons would much rather the doctrine and leaders weren't so explicit about the "curse of Cain".

Similarly, mormonism has gone everywhere from denying evolution to even denying astronomy (They used to literally believe that the sun was Heaven, the moon lesser heaven, and the stars even lesser heaven). That's actually why mormons were some of the first moon landing conspiracy theorists.

We do have some off track beliefs with little to no teachings, but mormons are a lot quicker to try and tamp down and eliminate those. For example, heavenly mother.

The end result is you do still have people teaching weird non-doctrinal (or previously doctrinal) while the church tries to back away and kill them off.

I know this is a bit of a sidetrack, but are you still in contact with anyone that's a JW and are they all Trumpers? Trumpism took mormons by storm, they are some of the most dedicated adherents to it. I'm wondering if the same thing happened with other high demand religions.

Here's the thing, I'm not sure I'd totally classify Trumpism as a high control org. It certainly has aspects of it, but it probably more closely resembles the hippy movement of the 60s (from which many cults did spring). The only real core belief is how awesome trump is. Beyond that it's a bunch of fringe and frayed beliefs based whatever that individual might believe.

For example, I have black in-laws that are also trump supporters (yeah.. I know) who are convinced that Trump isn't racist AND that trump has this secret plan that would have made all black people fabulously wealthy, Had Joe biden not stolen the election. It was something that was always on the cusp of happening were it not for "the deep state".

I don't think this is a mainstream trump belief but I now have to wonder how many trumpist have these sorts of special whacky beliefs untethered from the reality of who trump is.

But then there's another phenomena that seems somewhat unique to trump which is, when he says something they do not like it's "He didn't say that. Oh, he did say that? Well he didn't mean that, it was just something he said for X reason". That is, they don't actually care about what Trump says or does, they care about what he represents. Trump can't really command his followers super effectively because half the time they are going to think he's "just being trump". This is also where it's scary because a number of his followers want violence and I don't think trump could stop them if they started down that path.

They may linger, but they never have the power they used to. If they do, they have to rebuild from scratch, which is more or less what Trump does with white supremacists.

I guess this is what generally concerns me about trump. I don't think he'll be replaced while he's alive. However, the apparatus that made him a god amoung racists is still in place and hasn't substantially been changed since he left office.

What's frightening to me is it just takes the rightwing grifters to rally on another god king to ultimately start this problem anew. We have an entire "media" ecosystem that's now learned that fascism is actually kind of cool.

The only hope, it seems to me, is that his supporters tend to be old people that will end up dying around the same time he does.

What? Which ones?

I'm actually drawing blanks. Perhaps it's survivorship bias but to me it seems like most cults of personality stick around if there's no force actively shutting them down, generally with violence.

Nazi germany, for example, didn't end because hitler died. It ended because the allies and the soviet union occupied germany for decades squelching any Nazi sentiment. Ditto for Japan with the Hirohito (who himself was in a long line of royals that still continues just with muted power). You can look at mormonism where the founder was killed by a mob, that's still very much alive. Or Scientology where the leader had a heart attack. Heck, even the moonies are still around.

Without a heavy societal push, cults of personality very often linger.

I guess that would make it really hard for anyone, even a president, to put meaningful changes in place.

Yup. We can pass legislation that says "hey SC, you are wrong about the interpretation of this legislation so do it right". However, they've invented this "major questions doctrine" principle that basically lets them strike down "big" things that they don't like.

The only solution to that problem is either justices dying or legislation being passed to raise the cap on justices and the president packing the court. Which runs right into the filibuster problem.

At the beginning of biden's term democrats nearly nuked the filibuster. However, 2 centrist democrats squashed that.

Medicare negotiating prices is a fairly new thing for the US and something that could ultimately be killed by the supreme court (it shouldn't be, but we have a majority of extremists on the court).

Why it's uncertain to become law is because our right wing party (republicans) have historically been completely opposed to any social program. Our "left" party is also fairly centrist and arguably even right leaning in parts so it's uncertain that even with a majority of them in power that improvements would pass.

The problem we have is the filibuster in the senate. It allows any senator to kill a bill. To overturn it takes 60 votes (out of 100) and the senate is currently split 50/50.

The meager changes we got under obamacare literally happened because a republican senator died which opened the gate to ram through a few pieces of legislation which would otherwise not pass. Obamacare was overall an OK bill with some good stuff in it, but it really just re-enforced the current crazy capitalist market system. That was all the right leaning democrats would stomach. There was talk about an option for using government healthcare but that was quashed.

What's terrifying about MAGA isn't Trump, it's who comes next.

A second term for Trump will be terrible, but it'll end fairly quickly as I don't think he's going to live another 10 years.

However, if you take a look at the "Next generation" they are all copying trumpism but just making it a bit more crazy. Vivek is the poster child for this behavior. They are finding more and more than just abandoning pretext and saying the quiet part outloud doesn't lose elections.

The only way to stop this is having the GOP lose over and over and over again. After Biden's presidency the GOP cannot see power for at least another decade otherwise it will just snowball into more extreme craziness (it may do that anyways as the insane base will keep moderates out of office).