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It's not what they personally believe that most have issues with, it's how they leverage what's widely seen as the "official" developer instance. Whether they like it or not or what they say it is or not, it is recognized as such and as the "public face" it should be governed in an unbiased way, or all politics on it should be banished from it.

If they were running a personal instance for their personal politics that didn't have official Lemmy development and support comms, there would be a LOT more people donating for Lemmy's development

https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

The off-site backup is in another galaxy, it'll take a bit to get here

Well I am just shocked, SHOCKED I say!...well....not that shocked

Uh oh, sounds like someone didn't go up Drumps ass far enough.

Ah well, I'll take the wins where I can get them lol

I wish I could get drunk on the job and waste millions of dollars of taxpayer money without even so much as a write up :(

I got one of those automated feeders and flashed it with custom ESP32 firmware so I could tie it in with HomeAssistant and get fancy notifications when it fails to dispense food or it runs out or whatever.

Ofc it also provides a way for me to manually trigger the food dispensal routine, so now I can get scammed from anywhere in the house!

Yea, I never said they didn't, and I'm generally a proponent of separating art from the artist.

However, by conflating their official work and furthering their personal politics through the moderation of the lemmy.ml instance (which, whether they like it or not, IS seen as the "dev" or "flagship" or "official" instance) It's not currently feasible to actually donate money while maintaining "separation of art and artist"

If they turned over admin duties of .ml to a new, as unbiased and fair as possible, admin team nearly all the friction for almost everyone to donating would evaporate.

As someone in another thread put it "Devs should do dev work and not mod work, admins should do mod work and not dev work"

When they're off the admin list

And a new, unbiased and fair, team is in place. I'm quite clear about that

Until then, I have recurring donations for PieFed, .world and .cafe

Yes, a comm dedicated to documentation (and the occasional meme) of what they say and do

Here's a quick recap with a selection of direct evidence links: https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

How do they exploit their position as devs to push their political agenda? Do they add something to the code that gives them some exclusive benefits?

Look at how the .ml instance is positioned. People will hear "That instance is run by the devs and all support and other official development comms are on it" and will automatically gravitate to it and the reputation of Lemmy as a whole becomes tied to it. And other instances are hesitant to defed from it because of that.

So now the devs are in a defacto position of influence, regardless of if they want it or not. Now they have a choice, they can moderate it fairly and unbiased (i.e. not using it to further their personal politics) or separate its day to day operations to another admin team. As another commentator in this thread put it "The devs should do dev work and not mod work, and the admin team should do mod work and not dev work"

They've already proven that they cant do the first choice so now the only viable option is the second one, which they're probably not gonna address.

If you mean they just host their own instance, isn't it the whole point of Lemmy and what all the other instances are doing? Some even block other instances that do not match their political bias to not ruin their echo chamber. I mean I'm on lemmy.world which probably would be more accurately named lemmy.ultra.left.usa for some time now.

Because of my first point, they tied all sorts of official development stuff to .ml, many instances don't want to defederate because of that and the perception (it doesn't really hold when you look at MAUs) that they have the biggest comms on lemmy, it's almost akin to holding them hostage in my eyes "if you or your mods want official on-lemmy lemmy support, official announcements or access to Lemmys BIGGEST comms then you HAVE to stay federated with us!"

Things would be different if they were just running a personal instance with no official Lemmy anything on it, then it would be much easier for instances to make a defederation decision, just like the rest of the triad

https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

Maybe you should check in with your partner dessalines and your other admin davel then, because there's a whole lot of modlog entries and anti-Ukraine propaganda spreading with their name on em

Before you do: https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

It's all documented right there, "smear campaign" means to constantly accuse someone of something knowing they actually didn't do it for the purpose of ruining their reputation or other consequence like getting fired

If the subject in question is actually doing the things they're being accused of and can provide evidence then that's wholly justified

You're on .world, .world already defederates (Will not accept content, votes or users) from 2/3rds of what's known as the "Tankie Triad" (.ml, Hexbear and Grad, .world is defeded from grad and hex)

For blocking go-to lemmy.world/settings block tab and scroll to bottom to "instance blocks" and add lemmy.ml

Note: The "block" currently does not function properly, it's more of a mute, you won't see .ml comments or posts, but they can see and interact with it

lemmy.cafe defederates from the entire Tankie Triad

Oh it is, but I still get notified ahead of time jic, especially since we're (mostly) remote, so there's no security approaching their desk if the network glitches and misses locking them out of Windows or some shit lol

It's mostly because it's written in Rust, not a whole lot of Open Source devs in Rust. If Lemmy was written in something like Go or TS or hell even C# it'd probably would have been forked by now lol

Also that list was just possible scenarios, not listed in any order, IMO the most likely to happen is 4, because PieFed is written in TS iirc and is why it's so much faster at development. I think 1 will happen for a while, but won't hold long term

This really isn't about what they believe in, but their activities to push it on everyone else. This isn't a case of someone discovering dessalines separately maintained personal politics blog or something, in that sort of scenario, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The problem stems from how they continue to manage the "flagship" instance. They can say it's not or that it's "just a test server" or that it's just randomly recommended like any other instance, but that does not change what people see it as especially since they run official development comms and official support comms from it.

I've seen it before: "I went to check out Lemmy and went on the official developer instance lemmy.ml but it seemed to just be a bunch of tankies so I left"