cm0002 @ cm0002 @lemmy.world

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This really isn't about what they believe in, but their activities to push it on everyone else. This isn't a case of someone discovering dessalines separately maintained personal politics blog or something, in that sort of scenario, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The problem stems from how they continue to manage the "flagship" instance. They can say it's not or that it's "just a test server" or that it's just randomly recommended like any other instance, but that does not change what people see it as especially since they run official development comms and official support comms from it.

I've seen it before: "I went to check out Lemmy and went on the official developer instance lemmy.ml but it seemed to just be a bunch of tankies so I left"

Or alternatively, they could stop doing what they're doing with .ml and loads more people, including myself, would probably start donating towards development

understand that means that the devs might have to move on from Lemmy development and prioritize other work.

Oh I do, the way I see it there are 4 paths

1. they eek out just enough donations despite their constant merging of personal politics and their work and nothing changes
2. They turn over .ml to a less biased admin team that will actually keep things fair and deal with the propaganda /misinfo (Unlikely)
3. Lemmy development stops, and a new team without all the baggage takes over on a fork
4. Lemmy development stops and PieFed or other alternative fills the gap

RN they're asking for donations, but refusing to deal with the root issue directly leading to such low donations.

I don't like what they're doing, they are actively using their positions and instances position of influence to push harmful propaganda, misinformation, censor opinions critical of it and all the while turning a blind/lenient eye to what their users do if they consider them to be ideologically aligned with them.

If they actually surrendered .ml admin duties to a more balanced team that actually allowed non-Tankie mods to well mod, I would reconsider donating.

While I consider their "ideology" to be harmful, if they stopped trying to "infuse" Lemmy with it and separated their work from their personal politics it would satisfy a lot of concerns

It's not a cross post. That user is lying lol

Sure pal sure

Yes, you should see a icon similar to this green arrow looking thing

Or on the default Lemmy UI:

LMAO, first, reposting memes is a pastime of the internet for as long as memes has been a thing.

Second, cross-posting is a builtin Lemmy functionality.

3rd, You've been tagged as a Tankie, and quickly going through your recent comments has reaffirmed that. So you're really just mad because I keep calling out your dear leaders over on .ml

4th, lol I see you going through my profile and downvoting everything without merit LMAO

That's the beauty of OSS. You don't need to speculate conspiracy theories.

The beauty works with software because you can review the code and then compile from source. From there you know without a shred of doubt that the compiled version on your local machine is doing what you saw it would do in the code

That's not the case with a live website like join-lemmy, sure, the GitHub code checks out, but what guarantee do we have that the code shown on GitHub is what was deployed to the web server without modification? What guarantee is there they aren't running a modified lemmy.ml backend?

There isn't any guarantee except trust and I don't have any trust with Nutomic or dessalines.

Ah, ig the numbers I was remembering was a tad off, still though, if join-lemmy is supposed to be the landing site for forwarding potential new users to then there should not be extreme or controversial instances like .ml, hex or grad either

There seems to be precedent, HC is curiously missing from the line up, if there's no intent to "punish a specific instance" nor any formal "no instances that are controversial or extreme" rule then HC should be there as well, listed under "Politics" at the very least

And a quick recap on why: https://lemmy.world/post/29072279

Also, I may or may not be known to do something similar, sams club buffalo chicken dip tub is my kryptonite LMAO and now I need to go find one of these Jalapeno Artichoke dips lol

I took a look through my archives, and I unfortunately don't. It's likely that that happened before I started really screenshotting a lot of what they say and do. You could probably take a look through the Issues on GitHub though

Yea, I closed the page entirely when I switched topics, because I did the politics one closed it to make the post and reopened the link to go back for the all topics one

One was already done, and they said they would adjust it so that it would remove instances that were greater than a certain percentage of the Lemmy user base at large. But it only removed .world, even .ee is still listed and they're the next biggest. Iirc they even said they would remove .ml, they didn't.

Frankly, I don't trust them, the only thing I could trust is an independently run join-lemmy, because the devs of Lemmy has shown, repeatedly, they are unable to separate their personal politics from their work

Here's from all topics - English - random

3 out of 5 refreshes and one of the top 3 is always hex, grad or .ml, that's sus AF

It's particularly bad when you select politics and English, the below were after 4 refreshes with that, choosing all topics and English was more fair, because of the fact theres 600+ instances for it to randomize through, but even then .ml, hex or grad showed up within the top 3 somewhat frequently as if they're weighted higher.

Or how about no: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613

I'll donate money to individual instances, but for as long as Nutomic/Dessalines is in charge of the .ml instance I will not be donating to them.

Marxism–Leninism; if anything, most people seem to expressly recommend people don't join Lemmy.ml for ideological and censorship reasons.

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613

It literally recommends lemmy.ml within the first 3 listings in most cases or even worse, Hexbear

To be absolutely clear, on .ml hardly any mods do modding, almost all the removals and bans is by one of 2 admins, dessalines themselves or davel (and occasionally a 3rd admin cypherpunks)

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613

I'll donate money to individual instances, but for as long as Nutomic/Dessalines is in charge of the .ml instance I will not be donating to them.

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613

I'll donate money to individual instances, but for as long as Nutomic/Dessalines is in charge of the .ml instance I will not be donating to them.

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613

Test instances shouldn't be used to push a political narrative