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they use the Chinese numbers in official declarations because you know its official. that’s why there are these round about ways to try and find out what the real numbers

that cognitive dissonance lol

you seem to forget that everyday people used property as investment and now there investment is worthless

don't buy property as investment? The sinking of prices is an intended effect. Also the gvmnt forces evergrande to finish building homes tho..

its a dictatorship thing. making your economy look better then what it actually is.

I agree that the US is trying to make the economy look better than it actually is

where do you think these economists get there numbers?. its almost like they get them from the Chinese government. its like giving yourself good grades. that’s why there are these round about ways to try and find out what the real numbers are because you know dictatorships are not that transparent about how they get there numbers.

Exactly, and you believe that when you read western economists citing numbers they uncritically took them from the Chinese and didn't do the same calculations as you did, right? Lol

Chinese government incentivized it with cheap loans that’s why these firms could even get these big debs in the first place. the bubble only burst once they put in rules to stop them from creating so much debt.

You're so close to getting it. Communists indeed like to provide housing to people, so yes they made it attractive to build infrastructure by incentivizing their markets to do so. Since they do have their capitalists that also got greedy, they indeed intervened to make that bubble burst to make rent and property cheap for everyday people.

Russia

This is a China thread?

hey now its almost like dictatorships can manipulate there economy’s in ways democracy’s cant.

hey it's almost like you think that you're smarter than economists sitting in WTO, etc.

like jacking up your GDP numbers

US https://www.statista.com/statistics/248004/percentage-added-to-the-us-gdp-by-industry/ China https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124008/china-composition-of-gdp-by-industry/

It's easier to jack GDP with finance than industry..

building a whole lot of unnecessary shit and then crashing your property market because that’s obviously unsustainable

Infrastructure isn't "unnecessary shit". e.g. ghost cities filled up The chinese property market was experiencing a bubble due to overspeculation and mismanagement by firms like evergrande. As a result rents and property prices started to skyrocket. You're probably shocked to learn that communists don't like high rents and let the bubble crash and (unlike in the US handled their housing bubbles) left investors holding the bag. Because libs like you confuse the stockmarket with economy, you obv think it's crashing..

like temperately making your war economy look good by building a lot of shit that blows up. and this is only temperately because its shit that blows up.

wat?

"The WTO, World bank, IMF and US officials were duped by China's fake numbers"

Cope lpl

NATO expansion after the dissolution of the UDSSR (against what threat?) Is the first aggression.. Also, even though Medvedev like to bark a lot, Russia has a clear nuclear doctrine.

They pick the winners and losers, not the investors.

Based

I think it's not fair to complain about "censorship" when the decentral nature of the platform is made to avoid it. Especially not when you haven't contributed to the codebase. You can open your own nstance at any time.

avoid critizing the dominant ideology

You're free to criticize liberalism on .ml all you want.

*occupation

The same way as US with California or Germany with Bavaria

What is your point?

That China does significantly more for it's people than other countries do for theirs. You're a lib that needs to be able to categorize in good or bad, when nothing in life is black and white.

Typical PRC apologist, incapable of acknowledging or addressing any faults on the part of China so just tries to deflect by pointing fingers in other directions. You know this tactic is super transparent right?

Giving me examples of Chinese private companies doing shitty business practices when most other private companies do the same is just you holding China to higher standards and is reeking of chauvinism. You know this tactic is super transparent right?

OK, so China has looked out for its own interests and created an economic advantage for a fraction of its own population.

Technically true. 800M is indeed a (large) fraction

And yet, still the largest source of methane emission.

Typical western chauvinist pointing to china's emissions when most of his treats get produced there. Never mind checking per Capita numbers

a product they can sell. Let’s not pretend like this has some altruistic motivation.

Yeah it's not altruism, but I don't see anyone else producing the amount of solar that is needed to stop climate change

Cope lol

EVs are expected to reach 45% marketshare in 2024 in CN. Also I guess you haven't seen their high speed rail network expand over the last decade (pressuring their car market in general). Then you have a lot of capita. So yes the numbers make sense.

In communist China they jail anyone that is exposing the state of commiting war crimes

They shouldve jailed those who "independently reported" on COVID and propagated "vaccine skepiticm" here in the west too.

Nothing is in bad faith here. @yogthos@lemmy.ml is just responding to what you think the US desire in UA is by showing the contradictions and how it's playing out..

The visible hand of the free market

They've been supporting Ukraine since the first day and been encouraging peace talks. China is one of their biggest trading partners and it's in their interest. China hasn't been sending weapons because that's just putting fuel into the fire. And they also didn't do sanctions against Russia, because those haven't been decided by the UN.

Your comments look very uninformed in the context of this entire thread.I hope understand why.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

if you wanted to argue for USSR being democratic, as it was far from a stateless classless moneyless society.

When you don't know the difference between communism and socialism

Source on the terms of the deal?

If you're referring to "dept trap diplomacy" it's just a western projection. China regularly forgives loans and most of African dept is held by private institutions